Any Ford RV/ Motorhome experts on here?

[Rembrant]

My first cuppa hasn't kicked in yet either. But it is starting to, slowly. I do have info that may well help as the 460 was EFI'd before the end of my MPC, and little changed before the 460's demise.

I've purposefully made these pics as large, filewise, as possible to maintain as much detail as I can. So tell me what part numbers you need from this.

Here's the E-Series:

And here's the F-Series:

Gary,

The pictures are great for now. I won't bug for any part numbers until I actually have to get this stuff. I'd be curious if there are any common parts between the 351 and 460 in the E250/E350, but don't go to any trouble just yet. I'll get back to you if I need it.

I took a stroll through the junkyard and there are lots of vans there...20 or so I'm sure, but they're all newer with Triton engines, etc. The few cutaway vans that are there were Powerstrokes.

[Rembrant]

Gary,

The pictures are great for now. I won't bug for any part numbers until I actually have to get this stuff. I'd be curious if there are any common parts between the 351 and 460 in the E250/E350, but don't go to any trouble just yet. I'll get back to you if I need it.

I took a stroll through the junkyard and there are lots of vans there...20 or so I'm sure, but they're all newer with Triton engines, etc. The few cutaway vans that are there were Powerstrokes.

So we finally dragged this tank home today. Spending money on buying something like this at the start of a nasty economic downturn goes against every ounce of Scottish blood in my body, but Mrs. Rembrant really really wanted this and to do some running around, and to just have a project in general. She is going to handle all interior aspects, and I will deal with the mechanical stuff. All good.

It is a beast. It is a 1993 with 460 EFI, E4OD trans, and according to the cert label, has a Dana rear diff with 4.10 gears (Code 62)?

 

[ArdWrknTrk]

So we finally dragged this tank home today. Spending money on buying something like this at the start of a nasty economic downturn goes against every ounce of Scottish blood in my body, but Mrs. Rembrant really really wanted this and to do some running around, and to just have a project in general. She is going to handle all interior aspects, and I will deal with the mechanical stuff. All good.

It is a beast. It is a 1993 with 460 EFI, E4OD trans, and according to the cert label, has a Dana rear diff with 4.10 gears (Code 62)?

Happy wife, happy life...

[Gary Lewis]

So we finally dragged this tank home today. Spending money on buying something like this at the start of a nasty economic downturn goes against every ounce of Scottish blood in my body, but Mrs. Rembrant really really wanted this and to do some running around, and to just have a project in general. She is going to handle all interior aspects, and I will deal with the mechanical stuff. All good.

It is a beast. It is a 1993 with 460 EFI, E4OD trans, and according to the cert label, has a Dana rear diff with 4.10 gears (Code 62)?

I hear (see?) you about the economic downturn. Just can't see how it won't happen.

On the RV, is this the one you wrote about earlier? It looks good from what we can see, but the devil is in the details.

[Rembrant]

On the RV, is this the one you wrote about earlier? It looks good from what we can see, but the devil is in the details.

Hey Gary,

Yes overall she is in pretty good condition. It has 120k miles on it, and has had a bunch of work done to that helped in my buying decision. It came from out west as we say...Alberta, where the prairie climate preserves things a little better than out here on the damp and salty coast.

It was converted from gas to propane when it was brand new, so not only does it have a 30lb propane tank for the appliances, it also has two 100lb belly tanks for the engine. Sometime in the past few years it was converted back to gas, but is still using the underhood open element air cleaner that was part of the propane conversion. This is why I was on the hunt for a stock air cleaner housing and intake ducting. I'll replace it when I find all the pieces.

I drove it 120 miles to get it home and it has some things that need to be fixed up.

Coolant temp gauge is not working.

Cruise control works, but kicks off when you turn on the right hand signal light...lol.

Steering wheel is way off center, so it needs and alignment.

I'll have to check out the front end...at a minimum is needs new shocks and swaybar bushings.

Worse case it needs a new steering gear, but I see that it has a steering stabilizer on it...aftermarket I'm sure. I could start with that.

As far as the coach is concerned, it needs a new grey water tank, and the on board generator needs service (supposedly). It starts, but kicks off shortly afterwards. Flooring needs to be replaced. Hard to believe, but when they built this stupid thing, they carpeted the entire floor, and then built/assembled the interior on top of it. Good grief. The carpet is getting ripped out next weekend and will get replaced with some kind of vinyl.

It's a his and hers type of project. The wife wants to paint, decorate, upholster, etc. She's very much into that stuff and does it all herself.

In searching for info on the drivetrain in this thing, I came across a lot of recommendations for a Banks kit for the E4OD.

https://www.bankspower.com/i-773-transcommand-automatic-transmission-management-computer-for-1989-1998-ford-e40d-auto-trans.html

After driving it, I see what they were complaining about. It shifts so softly that you actually can't even feel it shift...which is weird. I'm told that the Banks kit rectifies that and makes the trans run cooler (less slippage when shifting gears?).

It has a heavy duty trailer hitch, and the guy had the frame reinforced where the hitch attaches. It also has 7pin trailer connector and new trailer brake controller.

Anyway, it'll be fun, and we can work on it together.

[Gary Lewis]

On the RV, is this the one you wrote about earlier? It looks good from what we can see, but the devil is in the details.

Hey Gary,

Yes overall she is in pretty good condition. It has 120k miles on it, and has had a bunch of work done to that helped in my buying decision. It came from out west as we say...Alberta, where the prairie climate preserves things a little better than out here on the damp and salty coast.

It was converted from gas to propane when it was brand new, so not only does it have a 30lb propane tank for the appliances, it also has two 100lb belly tanks for the engine. Sometime in the past few years it was converted back to gas, but is still using the underhood open element air cleaner that was part of the propane conversion. This is why I was on the hunt for a stock air cleaner housing and intake ducting. I'll replace it when I find all the pieces.

I drove it 120 miles to get it home and it has some things that need to be fixed up.

Coolant temp gauge is not working.

Cruise control works, but kicks off when you turn on the right hand signal light...lol.

Steering wheel is way off center, so it needs and alignment.

I'll have to check out the front end...at a minimum is needs new shocks and swaybar bushings.

Worse case it needs a new steering gear, but I see that it has a steering stabilizer on it...aftermarket I'm sure. I could start with that.

As far as the coach is concerned, it needs a new grey water tank, and the on board generator needs service (supposedly). It starts, but kicks off shortly afterwards. Flooring needs to be replaced. Hard to believe, but when they built this stupid thing, they carpeted the entire floor, and then built/assembled the interior on top of it. Good grief. The carpet is getting ripped out next weekend and will get replaced with some kind of vinyl.

It's a his and hers type of project. The wife wants to paint, decorate, upholster, etc. She's very much into that stuff and does it all herself.

In searching for info on the drivetrain in this thing, I came across a lot of recommendations for a Banks kit for the E4OD.

https://www.bankspower.com/i-773-transcommand-automatic-transmission-management-computer-for-1989-1998-ford-e40d-auto-trans.html

After driving it, I see what they were complaining about. It shifts so softly that you actually can't even feel it shift...which is weird. I'm told that the Banks kit rectifies that and makes the trans run cooler (less slippage when shifting gears?).

It has a heavy duty trailer hitch, and the guy had the frame reinforced where the hitch attaches. It also has 7pin trailer connector and new trailer brake controller.

Anyway, it'll be fun, and we can work on it together.

Sounds like a good project, and one that your wife wants to do. Perfect!

And yes, soft shifts are hard on transmissions, and especially on ones in heavy vehicles and the slippage creates lots of heat. Do you have a tranny expert around you trust?

With those gears and a good tranny, you should be able to put the trailer hitch to good use.

[Nothing Special]

On the RV, is this the one you wrote about earlier? It looks good from what we can see, but the devil is in the details.

Hey Gary,

Yes overall she is in pretty good condition. It has 120k miles on it, and has had a bunch of work done to that helped in my buying decision. It came from out west as we say...Alberta, where the prairie climate preserves things a little better than out here on the damp and salty coast.

It was converted from gas to propane when it was brand new, so not only does it have a 30lb propane tank for the appliances, it also has two 100lb belly tanks for the engine. Sometime in the past few years it was converted back to gas, but is still using the underhood open element air cleaner that was part of the propane conversion. This is why I was on the hunt for a stock air cleaner housing and intake ducting. I'll replace it when I find all the pieces.

I drove it 120 miles to get it home and it has some things that need to be fixed up.

Coolant temp gauge is not working.

Cruise control works, but kicks off when you turn on the right hand signal light...lol.

Steering wheel is way off center, so it needs and alignment.

I'll have to check out the front end...at a minimum is needs new shocks and swaybar bushings.

Worse case it needs a new steering gear, but I see that it has a steering stabilizer on it...aftermarket I'm sure. I could start with that.

As far as the coach is concerned, it needs a new grey water tank, and the on board generator needs service (supposedly). It starts, but kicks off shortly afterwards. Flooring needs to be replaced. Hard to believe, but when they built this stupid thing, they carpeted the entire floor, and then built/assembled the interior on top of it. Good grief. The carpet is getting ripped out next weekend and will get replaced with some kind of vinyl.

It's a his and hers type of project. The wife wants to paint, decorate, upholster, etc. She's very much into that stuff and does it all herself.

In searching for info on the drivetrain in this thing, I came across a lot of recommendations for a Banks kit for the E4OD.

https://www.bankspower.com/i-773-transcommand-automatic-transmission-management-computer-for-1989-1998-ford-e40d-auto-trans.html

After driving it, I see what they were complaining about. It shifts so softly that you actually can't even feel it shift...which is weird. I'm told that the Banks kit rectifies that and makes the trans run cooler (less slippage when shifting gears?).

It has a heavy duty trailer hitch, and the guy had the frame reinforced where the hitch attaches. It also has 7pin trailer connector and new trailer brake controller.

Anyway, it'll be fun, and we can work on it together.

I hope you enjoy it! I know my wife and I sure enjoy ours!

[ArdWrknTrk]

On the RV, is this the one you wrote about earlier? It looks good from what we can see, but the devil is in the details.

Hey Gary,

Yes overall she is in pretty good condition. It has 120k miles on it, and has had a bunch of work done to that helped in my buying decision. It came from out west as we say...Alberta, where the prairie climate preserves things a little better than out here on the damp and salty coast.

It was converted from gas to propane when it was brand new, so not only does it have a 30lb propane tank for the appliances, it also has two 100lb belly tanks for the engine. Sometime in the past few years it was converted back to gas, but is still using the underhood open element air cleaner that was part of the propane conversion. This is why I was on the hunt for a stock air cleaner housing and intake ducting. I'll replace it when I find all the pieces.

I drove it 120 miles to get it home and it has some things that need to be fixed up.

Coolant temp gauge is not working.

Cruise control works, but kicks off when you turn on the right hand signal light...lol.

Steering wheel is way off center, so it needs and alignment.

I'll have to check out the front end...at a minimum is needs new shocks and swaybar bushings.

Worse case it needs a new steering gear, but I see that it has a steering stabilizer on it...aftermarket I'm sure. I could start with that.

As far as the coach is concerned, it needs a new grey water tank, and the on board generator needs service (supposedly). It starts, but kicks off shortly afterwards. Flooring needs to be replaced. Hard to believe, but when they built this stupid thing, they carpeted the entire floor, and then built/assembled the interior on top of it. Good grief. The carpet is getting ripped out next weekend and will get replaced with some kind of vinyl.

It's a his and hers type of project. The wife wants to paint, decorate, upholster, etc. She's very much into that stuff and does it all herself.

In searching for info on the drivetrain in this thing, I came across a lot of recommendations for a Banks kit for the E4OD.

https://www.bankspower.com/i-773-transcommand-automatic-transmission-management-computer-for-1989-1998-ford-e40d-auto-trans.html

After driving it, I see what they were complaining about. It shifts so softly that you actually can't even feel it shift...which is weird. I'm told that the Banks kit rectifies that and makes the trans run cooler (less slippage when shifting gears?).

It has a heavy duty trailer hitch, and the guy had the frame reinforced where the hitch attaches. It also has 7pin trailer connector and new trailer brake controller.

Anyway, it'll be fun, and we can work on it together.

I recently (American Thanksgiving) installed a Banks Monster exhaust, shift controller and intake on my friend Ari's class A Newmar coach.

I think I posted some pics....

It's built around a Triton V-10 F53 chassis.

The Banks programmable shift controller and more aggressive engine management made a world of difference.

It went from being an absolute slug to lumbering beast.

Anything that huge is never going to impress in 0-60 times, but at least merging onto the highway isn't terrifying any more.

It drives a lot better around town too.

I'm NOT any motorhome expert, but IMO the $ were well worth it.

[ArdWrknTrk]

On the RV, is this the one you wrote about earlier? It looks good from what we can see, but the devil is in the details.

Hey Gary,

Yes overall she is in pretty good condition. It has 120k miles on it, and has had a bunch of work done to that helped in my buying decision. It came from out west as we say...Alberta, where the prairie climate preserves things a little better than out here on the damp and salty coast.

It was converted from gas to propane when it was brand new, so not only does it have a 30lb propane tank for the appliances, it also has two 100lb belly tanks for the engine. Sometime in the past few years it was converted back to gas, but is still using the underhood open element air cleaner that was part of the propane conversion. This is why I was on the hunt for a stock air cleaner housing and intake ducting. I'll replace it when I find all the pieces.

I drove it 120 miles to get it home and it has some things that need to be fixed up.

Coolant temp gauge is not working.

Cruise control works, but kicks off when you turn on the right hand signal light...lol.

Steering wheel is way off center, so it needs and alignment.

I'll have to check out the front end...at a minimum is needs new shocks and swaybar bushings.

Worse case it needs a new steering gear, but I see that it has a steering stabilizer on it...aftermarket I'm sure. I could start with that.

As far as the coach is concerned, it needs a new grey water tank, and the on board generator needs service (supposedly). It starts, but kicks off shortly afterwards. Flooring needs to be replaced. Hard to believe, but when they built this stupid thing, they carpeted the entire floor, and then built/assembled the interior on top of it. Good grief. The carpet is getting ripped out next weekend and will get replaced with some kind of vinyl.

It's a his and hers type of project. The wife wants to paint, decorate, upholster, etc. She's very much into that stuff and does it all herself.

In searching for info on the drivetrain in this thing, I came across a lot of recommendations for a Banks kit for the E4OD.

https://www.bankspower.com/i-773-transcommand-automatic-transmission-management-computer-for-1989-1998-ford-e40d-auto-trans.html

After driving it, I see what they were complaining about. It shifts so softly that you actually can't even feel it shift...which is weird. I'm told that the Banks kit rectifies that and makes the trans run cooler (less slippage when shifting gears?).

It has a heavy duty trailer hitch, and the guy had the frame reinforced where the hitch attaches. It also has 7pin trailer connector and new trailer brake controller.

Anyway, it'll be fun, and we can work on it together.

Consider the Banks-Power Ram Air intake for EFI 460's.

That should get you all the plumbing from the bottom of the filter box. (filter, lid, tubes, and cold air inlet from in front of the radiator support)

Hmmmm, who do we know that might have a lower filter plenum?

I'll have to see if I can find one of those E350 shuttle buses old enough to scavenge.

I'm sure Banks offer a package with the shift controller, intake plumbing, an oversized stainless muffler and tailpipe.

The Monster Exhaust isn't loud, I can't even say if it's an improvement over stock, as I did everything at once.

The TransCommand is going to be $300 well spent.

 

[Rembrant]

Consider the Banks-Power Ram Air intake for EFI 460's.

That should get you all the plumbing from the bottom of the filter box. (filter, lid, tubes, and cold air inlet from in front of the radiator support)

Hmmmm, who do we know that might have a lower filter plenum?

I'll have to see if I can find one of those E350 shuttle buses old enough to scavenge.

I'm sure Banks offer a package with the shift controller, intake plumbing, an oversized stainless muffler and tailpipe.

The Monster Exhaust isn't loud, I can't even say if it's an improvement over stock, as I did everything at once.

The TransCommand is going to be $300 well spent.

Jim,

I'll be looking at all of the options to get the air intake back to a somewhat normal installation, preferably with a real cold air intake that draws from outside the engine bay. As you know, there's not much room in the E350 engine bay with a 460 in there.

This is what the intake assembly is supposed to look like.

And this is what is in there now. Some of the original duct work is still there, but the air box and mounting bracket is not, nor is there any of the duct work that fed the air box.

The receipt for the propane install came with the RV. The original owner's paid $2500 for the system back in 1993, and it was kit specifically for the 460 EFI.

The only thing I don't know, is where the cold air was drawn from. I've read that the 90's class-C RV's drew their intake air from under the hood and did not draw outside air at all.