Ford F834 Posted October 18, 2020 Author Share Posted October 18, 2020 Jonathan, that dose stink about the AC. Is the truck an 81 in your sig? If so and using the newer compressor, the 81 should use a York, here is what I had to do to get a complete sealed system on my 81 using the newer compressor. You have to use a 81 dryer as the newer one will the fit the evap, different thread size so you have to use a dryer for the 81 to fit the evap.. So now on to the hose, you cant use a newer hose that would of fit the newer dryer as it will not fit the old (81) dryer, different thread size. What I found was the old 81 hose that fits the old (81) dryer also fit the new compressor. But ........ the hose runs totally different than the newer hose would, compressor to and across firewall to dryer. I don't remember how the York hose ran as I never had that system on my truck, remember all my AC parts came from my parts truck and the motor was sold before I bought the truck. I don't have a picture of how the hose runs but it kind of goes across the top of the motor. I also had to "tweak" the dryer & hose to clear the hood when closed but was not much. As for the vacuum pump & gauges I bought new from HF. The more thinking I did on the pump I did not know what I would be getting if I did the "loan-a-tool" if it come pull a vacuum. Same on the gauges if I could have even gotten a loaner. My gauges only hooked up to the low side, guess I needed adaptor for the high side? But I was able to pull a good vacuum and it held for an hour while I did the electrical wiring side. I did use a lot of cans of 134 before it would blow cold but the low side reading where in the green other wise it was to low. I would have to go back through my posts to see just how much if you need that. Dave ---- Thanks Dave, apologies that I am only just now seeing this. I have been out of town and off line most of the time. I got a set f 83+ AC brackets, and the compressor, dryer, and hose came from a 1985 Bronco with a 302. I bought a hose and dryer from RockAuto that was supposed to fit a 1986 300 six application. The hose was way wrong at the compressor end, and I managed to misplace the new dryer. I did the rental because this was a last minute thing, and there seem to be better compressor/gauge manifold sets for less money on Amazon than what HF had on the shelf. I will buy a set for the next time I try this. I’m not quite sure what I want to do about the hose, the 302 one does actually work but the fitment is awful. The one from RockAuto is absolutely a no-go, but will fit my IDI. I might order a hose from a local parts house so it’s easier to return or exchange if it’s wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzFace2 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 Thanks Dave, apologies that I am only just now seeing this. I have been out of town and off line most of the time. I got a set f 83+ AC brackets, and the compressor, dryer, and hose came from a 1985 Bronco with a 302. I bought a hose and dryer from RockAuto that was supposed to fit a 1986 300 six application. The hose was way wrong at the compressor end, and I managed to misplace the new dryer. I did the rental because this was a last minute thing, and there seem to be better compressor/gauge manifold sets for less money on Amazon than what HF had on the shelf. I will buy a set for the next time I try this. I’m not quite sure what I want to do about the hose, the 302 one does actually work but the fitment is awful. The one from RockAuto is absolutely a no-go, but will fit my IDI. I might order a hose from a local parts house so it’s easier to return or exchange if it’s wrong. No problem we all know life gets in the way of our trucks LOL You do have a whole lot of different year parts for the AC I just wanted to let you know what worked for me on my 81, using I think it was a 85 compressor I picked up from the junk yard. Good luck on the next go at the AC. Dave ---- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford F834 Posted October 18, 2020 Author Share Posted October 18, 2020 Thanks Dave, apologies that I am only just now seeing this. I have been out of town and off line most of the time. I got a set f 83+ AC brackets, and the compressor, dryer, and hose came from a 1985 Bronco with a 302. I bought a hose and dryer from RockAuto that was supposed to fit a 1986 300 six application. The hose was way wrong at the compressor end, and I managed to misplace the new dryer. I did the rental because this was a last minute thing, and there seem to be better compressor/gauge manifold sets for less money on Amazon than what HF had on the shelf. I will buy a set for the next time I try this. I’m not quite sure what I want to do about the hose, the 302 one does actually work but the fitment is awful. The one from RockAuto is absolutely a no-go, but will fit my IDI. I might order a hose from a local parts house so it’s easier to return or exchange if it’s wrong. So judging by Max’s post (http://forum.garysgaragemahal.com/York-to-Sanden-AC-compressor-questions-tp60023p60095.html) I seem to have the wrong compressor for the AC hose that I purchased... the connections point straight back instead of out the side. Since this compressor appears to be ruined anyhow, it looks like I may need to get the right compressor for 83-86 straight six. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzFace2 Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 So judging by Max’s post (http://forum.garysgaragemahal.com/York-to-Sanden-AC-compressor-questions-tp60023p60095.html) I seem to have the wrong compressor for the AC hose that I purchased... the connections point straight back instead of out the side. Since this compressor appears to be ruined anyhow, it looks like I may need to get the right compressor for 83-86 straight six. I dont think is the compressor bolt on hose fittings don't come with the new compressors. At least what I saw in pictures so you may want to check into that. Because of that I checked Ebay and found them for $100 each. That was one reason why I went with a junk yard compressor for $75 cash. Good luck Dave ---- edit: If you look at the compressors in the pictures you will see they are different. IIRC the ones for our trucks use the ones that bolt on the side. The other compressor has the hose connections on the rear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzFace2 Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 So judging by Max’s post (http://forum.garysgaragemahal.com/York-to-Sanden-AC-compressor-questions-tp60023p60095.html) I seem to have the wrong compressor for the AC hose that I purchased... the connections point straight back instead of out the side. Since this compressor appears to be ruined anyhow, it looks like I may need to get the right compressor for 83-86 straight six. I dont think is the compressor bolt on hose fittings come with the new compressors. At least what I saw in pictures so you may want to check into that. Because of that I checked Ebay and found them for $100 each. That was one reason why I went with a junk yard compressor for $75 cash. Good luck Dave ---- edit: your pictures have 2 different compressors in them. Our trucks use the side bolt on hose fittings. The other has them off the back and I don't think they bolt on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford F834 Posted October 27, 2020 Author Share Posted October 27, 2020 I dont think is the compressor bolt on hose fittings come with the new compressors. At least what I saw in pictures so you may want to check into that. Because of that I checked Ebay and found them for $100 each. That was one reason why I went with a junk yard compressor for $75 cash. Good luck Dave ---- edit: your pictures have 2 different compressors in them. Our trucks use the side bolt on hose fittings. The other has them off the back and I don't think they bolt on. Dave, I didn’t even think about the connectors being a separate part from the compressor but you’re right. I have a junkyard compressor that I found in the cab of a truck that was new in the box— never installed. It has no connectors. I should probably source some for the straight six, and buy the second hose if needed (and I probably will). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzFace2 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 Dave, I didn’t even think about the connectors being a separate part from the compressor but you’re right. I have a junkyard compressor that I found in the cab of a truck that was new in the box— never installed. It has no connectors. I should probably source some for the straight six, and buy the second hose if needed (and I probably will). When I was looking up different compressors is when I saw some had the hose fittings off the back like the one you pictured. They were mostly for after market AC systems IIRC. Also someone pointed out to me a compressor think for a Jeep that had the hose fitting off the back side. The compressor for our truck from the factory had the bolt on hose fittings that were on the side of the compressor. I just had to make sure that the JY compressor had the hose fittings other wise it was for nothing as I did not have them. Dave ---- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford F834 Posted June 4, 2022 Author Share Posted June 4, 2022 Dave, I didn’t even think about the connectors being a separate part from the compressor but you’re right. I have a junkyard compressor that I found in the cab of a truck that was new in the box— never installed. It has no connectors. I should probably source some for the straight six, and buy the second hose if needed (and I probably will). Well 💩💩💩…… This is the second time I have had this failure in my life of owning straight sixes… both times I was being extremely gentle and snugging the two bolts alternately, a little at a time. Fortunately this time I had an older type, cast iron housing to replace it with. And fortunately I was able to find it when I needed it which I am hard pressed to do these days 😖. The down side is that the cast iron one has no provision for a temperature sensor (which I was using for my electric cluster gauge), and the heater hose nipple is short, so my existing heater hose no longer fit. Not a big deal except it’s our water truck and when your cistern is running low and it’s late evening on a Friday these are the kinds of road blocks you don’t want. Never again with the pot metal thermostat housing… for now I will just add the electric gauge to the list of things that don’t work. When I bought the new thermostat, the clerk suggested a fail safe. I was under the impression that most new units were designed to fail “open” but I guess not? We compared thermostats and the $6 to $12 ones did not have the mechanical provision but the $21 Fail Safe one did. It seemed like an excessive price difference for a couple brass tabs, but I guess the $15 will seem well spent if it fails on me in Bullhead City when it’s 122*F outside. The truck overheated and I saw bubbles coming from the thermostat housing gasket joint… but the root cause of the failure was the water pump. Odd thing is it didn’t give me any of the warning signs that I’m familiar with, except a bit of belt chirp that I often hear anyway. When I pulled the belts the fan pulley was rocking up and down almost 1/4” 😱. The old ‘81 still needs love, I went to start it after the water pump change and had zero power anywhere in the truck. Completely dead. Battery had over 12.3v but nothing in the cab. I cleaned the contacts and grounds, nada…. I fumbled about tracing wires and found nothing. Then as mysteriously as it died, it started working again… which allowed me to get a tank of water but that’s the very worst kind of “fix” 😬😬😬. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 Well 💩💩💩…… This is the second time I have had this failure in my life of owning straight sixes… both times I was being extremely gentle and snugging the two bolts alternately, a little at a time. Fortunately this time I had an older type, cast iron housing to replace it with. And fortunately I was able to find it when I needed it which I am hard pressed to do these days 😖. The down side is that the cast iron one has no provision for a temperature sensor (which I was using for my electric cluster gauge), and the heater hose nipple is short, so my existing heater hose no longer fit. Not a big deal except it’s our water truck and when your cistern is running low and it’s late evening on a Friday these are the kinds of road blocks you don’t want. Never again with the pot metal thermostat housing… for now I will just add the electric gauge to the list of things that don’t work. When I bought the new thermostat, the clerk suggested a fail safe. I was under the impression that most new units were designed to fail “open” but I guess not? We compared thermostats and the $6 to $12 ones did not have the mechanical provision but the $21 Fail Safe one did. It seemed like an excessive price difference for a couple brass tabs, but I guess the $15 will seem well spent if it fails on me in Bullhead City when it’s 122*F outside. The truck overheated and I saw bubbles coming from the thermostat housing gasket joint… but the root cause of the failure was the water pump. Odd thing is it didn’t give me any of the warning signs that I’m familiar with, except a bit of belt chirp that I often hear anyway. When I pulled the belts the fan pulley was rocking up and down almost 1/4” 😱. The old ‘81 still needs love, I went to start it after the water pump change and had zero power anywhere in the truck. Completely dead. Battery had over 12.3v but nothing in the cab. I cleaned the contacts and grounds, nada…. I fumbled about tracing wires and found nothing. Then as mysteriously as it died, it started working again… which allowed me to get a tank of water but that’s the very worst kind of “fix” 😬😬😬. BumER! Did the thermostat slip out of the depression? Or is that one of the ones that the thermostat can't slip out and the pot metal just failed? And 1/4" is a lot of slop on a water pump pulley. I'm surprised you weren't spewing coolant past the seal. Yes, you need to give it some TLC. I'll bet it is lonely and its feelings are hurt. But glad you got it back on the road, sorta. I HATE fixes where you didn't really fix it as you know it'll come back to bite you at the worst possible time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzFace2 Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 BumER! Did the thermostat slip out of the depression? Or is that one of the ones that the thermostat can't slip out and the pot metal just failed? And 1/4" is a lot of slop on a water pump pulley. I'm surprised you weren't spewing coolant past the seal. Yes, you need to give it some TLC. I'll bet it is lonely and its feelings are hurt. But glad you got it back on the road, sorta. I HATE fixes where you didn't really fix it as you know it'll come back to bite you at the worst possible time. My housing did the same thing but I found mine when I was cleaning the old gasket off. I could not get the last bit of gasket / sealer off and when looking closer saw it was cracked. The Auto Zone one I get had the wrong size opening for the heater hose nipple. I got the right size from O'Reilly's https://www.oreillyauto.com/shop/b/engine-cooling/thermostat-housing-water-outlet/248157cbd990/v/a/5281/automotive-truck-1981-ford-f-100?compares=MRY-84913,MCS-4913KT,DOR-902-1025 Dave ---- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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