Jon M Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 Folks, I'm swapping out my 4 speed manual transmission and NP transfer case for a M5OD and Borg Warner 1356 transfer case (both from a bricknose) and I'm coming across some u-joint dimensions that I wasn't expecting The new transmission and transfer case have been installed and up next is finding a good drive shaft (or, more likely, having one resized). But before I get there I need to solve this universal joint puzzle. When I got under the truck with a standard Moog 434 U-joint (from the the previous transfer case flange yokes) i discovered that the rear-facing flange yoke on the BorgWarner is sized for 1.065" caps, whereas all the others (the front Dana44, the rear 8.8 diff, and the front facing t-case flange yoke) were sized for 1.134" caps. I am kind of befuddled about this (although, that's nothing new), and I don't know what year/model the donor truck was so I can't really search what u-joint options I have on the web like rockauto. Can someone point me in the right direction to find the right sized ujoint with 4x 1.065" caps for this. More-over, what truck transfer case might have been from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mat in tn Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 if the only issue you are finding is at a single u joint then you are in luck. you can get a "bastard" joint. one with both sizes needed to couple your shaft to the flange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdWrknTrk Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 Ford is notorious for combination "bastard" U-joints. Not difficult to find, but good to make note of (I usually tear the flap off the box and toss it in the glove box, so I don't have to figure it out again) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
85lebaront2 Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 I have had several Fords with different sized caps on two of the U-joint pins, I have also had them with different dimensions across the caps. Unfortunately what you need is either a U-joint catalog or an old fashioned parts store. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdWrknTrk Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 I have had several Fords with different sized caps on two of the U-joint pins, I have also had them with different dimensions across the caps. Unfortunately what you need is either a U-joint catalog or an old fashioned parts store. Used to be "go to the paper catalog" but Moog has a page where you just punch in the dimensions of the caps and distance across. https://www.moog-suspension-parts.com/universal-joints-ujoints.asp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon M Posted July 27 Author Share Posted July 27 Ford is notorious for combination "bastard" U-joints. Not difficult to find, but good to make note of (I usually tear the flap off the box and toss it in the glove box, so I don't have to figure it out again) You know what's funny, until this post, I perceived the "bastard" u-joint as normal (I probably would have assumed every company did things this way) But now that I've read your comments and think about it, it is wildly dumb that a number of their their u-joints across multiple decades require two different sizes caps each... My problem was that that one of the transfer case flange yokes required the *same* size cap as the drive shaft. So I was confused as to how I was going to go about finding a u-joint with 4 of the same size cap (1.065"). This is my first project truck so I'm learning everything from you guys, Reddit, and Youtube. And I'm coming to this game late in life when learning is all a little bit harder. So thanks for the thoughts guys, and Jim, that Moog reference is going to save my bacon. Much appreciated! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 You know what's funny, until this post, I perceived the "bastard" u-joint as normal (I probably would have assumed every company did things this way) But now that I've read your comments and think about it, it is wildly dumb that a number of their their u-joints across multiple decades require two different sizes caps each... My problem was that that one of the transfer case flange yokes required the *same* size cap as the drive shaft. So I was confused as to how I was going to go about finding a u-joint with 4 of the same size cap (1.065"). This is my first project truck so I'm learning everything from you guys, Reddit, and Youtube. And I'm coming to this game late in life when learning is all a little bit harder. So thanks for the thoughts guys, and Jim, that Moog reference is going to save my bacon. Much appreciated! We do have Ford's chart on U-joints on the page at Documentation/Driveline/Driveshafts and then the U-Joint tab. Has this info and more: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdWrknTrk Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 You know what's funny, until this post, I perceived the "bastard" u-joint as normal (I probably would have assumed every company did things this way) But now that I've read your comments and think about it, it is wildly dumb that a number of their their u-joints across multiple decades require two different sizes caps each... My problem was that that one of the transfer case flange yokes required the *same* size cap as the drive shaft. So I was confused as to how I was going to go about finding a u-joint with 4 of the same size cap (1.065"). This is my first project truck so I'm learning everything from you guys, Reddit, and Youtube. And I'm coming to this game late in life when learning is all a little bit harder. So thanks for the thoughts guys, and Jim, that Moog reference is going to save my bacon. Much appreciated! You're welcome, glad I could help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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