Gary Lewis Posted July 25 Author Share Posted July 25 I know nothing about these old inlines, but it seemed the expedient path forward. I'm really surprised that there isn't a different starter gear you can use with that flywheel, but again I'm not looking at it, and "I know NOTHING!". Well, I don't think there is an automatic transmission that will work. If you watch that video, above, the guy is installing a 1954 235 in a late 1949 truck, which is almost exactly what we are doing - a 1955 235 in a 1950 truck. And he says that you can't use the bell housing off the 235 as its mounts don't attach to the frame the same way the 216's mounts attach. And since it doesn't look like they offered an automatic in the trucks until the mounting change happened, there isn't an auto tranny that will bolt in. So it looks like we will have to go back with the manual tranny and the original bell housing plus a new flywheel and probably a new clutch. Given that I'm working to this plan: 1: I moved the engine and shop crane into the machine shop side and cleaned things up. 2: I'll roll the truck back around to the car port behind the shop and put Big Blue back in his stall 3: I will then turn the engine upside down, pull the pan, and figure out how to turn the crank to get the clutch & flywheel out and, therefore, the bell housing off. And I'll pull the front mount off. 4: When I have all the pieces I'll put them on the 235. 5: When Ian is coming back I'll bring the truck back around and either install the engine before he gets here or wait until he gets here to install it. Then we will start it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1986F150Six Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 Well, I don't think there is an automatic transmission that will work. If you watch that video, above, the guy is installing a 1954 235 in a late 1949 truck, which is almost exactly what we are doing - a 1955 235 in a 1950 truck. And he says that you can't use the bell housing off the 235 as its mounts don't attach to the frame the same way the 216's mounts attach. And since it doesn't look like they offered an automatic in the trucks until the mounting change happened, there isn't an auto tranny that will bolt in. So it looks like we will have to go back with the manual tranny and the original bell housing plus a new flywheel and probably a new clutch. Given that I'm working to this plan: 1: I moved the engine and shop crane into the machine shop side and cleaned things up. 2: I'll roll the truck back around to the car port behind the shop and put Big Blue back in his stall 3: I will then turn the engine upside down, pull the pan, and figure out how to turn the crank to get the clutch & flywheel out and, therefore, the bell housing off. And I'll pull the front mount off. 4: When I have all the pieces I'll put them on the 235. 5: When Ian is coming back I'll bring the truck back around and either install the engine before he gets here or wait until he gets here to install it. Then we will start it. Hang in there, Gary! Maybe you remember this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted July 26 Author Share Posted July 26 Hang in there, Gary! Maybe you remember this: Thanks, David. I do remember that, but it was still funny. Got the 50 back under the carport today and Big Blue back in his stall in the shop. Here are a couple of pics to prove it. The one on the left shows the motive power used for a few minutes - until I realized that the truck was almost rolling w/o the mower, at which point I just pushed it by hand. The one on the right shows that I cut it rather close getting it past the post - but it cleared. Now I can work on disassembling the engine to get the bell housing off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
85lebaront2 Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 Well, I don't think there is an automatic transmission that will work. If you watch that video, above, the guy is installing a 1954 235 in a late 1949 truck, which is almost exactly what we are doing - a 1955 235 in a 1950 truck. And he says that you can't use the bell housing off the 235 as its mounts don't attach to the frame the same way the 216's mounts attach. And since it doesn't look like they offered an automatic in the trucks until the mounting change happened, there isn't an auto tranny that will bolt in. So it looks like we will have to go back with the manual tranny and the original bell housing plus a new flywheel and probably a new clutch. Given that I'm working to this plan: 1: I moved the engine and shop crane into the machine shop side and cleaned things up. 2: I'll roll the truck back around to the car port behind the shop and put Big Blue back in his stall 3: I will then turn the engine upside down, pull the pan, and figure out how to turn the crank to get the clutch & flywheel out and, therefore, the bell housing off. And I'll pull the front mount off. 4: When I have all the pieces I'll put them on the 235. 5: When Ian is coming back I'll bring the truck back around and either install the engine before he gets here or wait until he gets here to install it. Then we will start it. Gary, it would take some doing and fabricating the mounts. Later 235s (1958-1962) used a 3 point mount system, 2 on the sides of the block and one under the back of the transmission. I suspect the 1950 truck has the older mounting system, similar to what my 1958 F100 had, one mount at the front of the engine and two on the clutch housing. When I went to the 312 and 3 speed + OD, I used an engine swap mount kit so I could used the 1957 Ranchero mounts. If you can get the iron case Powerglide that would have come on that 235, it has it's oil reservoir built into the bottom of the converter housing. On the left end cover the throttle valve and shift valve are mounted insied, on the right end cover, the dipstick tube is in it. I would imagine that with the engine sitting in the frame with the front mounts secured, the side covers on an iron Powerglide would be about where the rear mount "ears" are on the clutch housing. Check with Jack Clifford if he is still around and tell him I referred you (long story), he may have a solution for it. Iron PGs were used through 1954 with torque tube drive shafts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted July 26 Author Share Posted July 26 Gary, it would take some doing and fabricating the mounts. Later 235s (1958-1962) used a 3 point mount system, 2 on the sides of the block and one under the back of the transmission. I suspect the 1950 truck has the older mounting system, similar to what my 1958 F100 had, one mount at the front of the engine and two on the clutch housing. When I went to the 312 and 3 speed + OD, I used an engine swap mount kit so I could used the 1957 Ranchero mounts. If you can get the iron case Powerglide that would have come on that 235, it has it's oil reservoir built into the bottom of the converter housing. On the left end cover the throttle valve and shift valve are mounted insied, on the right end cover, the dipstick tube is in it. I would imagine that with the engine sitting in the frame with the front mounts secured, the side covers on an iron Powerglide would be about where the rear mount "ears" are on the clutch housing. Check with Jack Clifford if he is still around and tell him I referred you (long story), he may have a solution for it. Iron PGs were used through 1954 with torque tube drive shafts. Thanks, Bill. I'm sorta back on the manual tranny kick right now as I really don't want to do any fabrication. So if I can get the bell housing off and buy a new clutch/flywheel/pressure plate combo I think I'll go back that way. But you are right, the 50 does have one mount in front and two in the rear. The one in the front mounts to the timing cover and is said to fit the 235. So I'll be taking it off as I work on the 216 to get the bell housing off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viven44 Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 Welcome to old French vehicles. Guys, I’m lost. Why a '50 Chevy is considered as a «French» truck? Citroën, ok. But Chevrolet? Thanks for asking that. I didn't have the courage to ask Growing up in a ex-French colony, my family would sometimes talk about the Chevrolé (how I thought it was spelled as a kid) they had. I had no idea they were talking about a Chevrolet until I moved to the states. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viven44 Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 Well, I don't think there is an automatic transmission that will work. If you watch that video, above, the guy is installing a 1954 235 in a late 1949 truck, which is almost exactly what we are doing - a 1955 235 in a 1950 truck. And he says that you can't use the bell housing off the 235 as its mounts don't attach to the frame the same way the 216's mounts attach. And since it doesn't look like they offered an automatic in the trucks until the mounting change happened, there isn't an auto tranny that will bolt in. So it looks like we will have to go back with the manual tranny and the original bell housing plus a new flywheel and probably a new clutch. Given that I'm working to this plan: 1: I moved the engine and shop crane into the machine shop side and cleaned things up. 2: I'll roll the truck back around to the car port behind the shop and put Big Blue back in his stall 3: I will then turn the engine upside down, pull the pan, and figure out how to turn the crank to get the clutch & flywheel out and, therefore, the bell housing off. And I'll pull the front mount off. 4: When I have all the pieces I'll put them on the 235. 5: When Ian is coming back I'll bring the truck back around and either install the engine before he gets here or wait until he gets here to install it. Then we will start it. With the engine frozen that much (likely piston-cylinder wall), I'm afraid all the maincaps, rod caps, head, pistons need to come off before anything is going to turn.. this is based on all the "I do cars" videos I've watched... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBrother-84 Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 Thanks for asking that. I didn't have the courage to ask Haha, no shame about this kind of question! Let's say I know a little bit about French things, and I'm always surprised when my US friends make "french" statements that I never heard anything about... In this case, I learned that a truck simply needs to have a french name to become a French Truck. Okay... Also (thanks to Gary) I previously learned that my US friends call the Chevrolet brand Bowtie. Because of the emblem shape. Guess what, you have to live in English to know that story. Because here, a Chevrolet is just... a Chevrolet. Not a «noeud papillon». Oh, and about the pronunciation. French is like any other language, it's colored by multiple accents shades. So, in Quebec we say "Chevrolè" (like "let it be" but not pronouncing the "t", le[] it be). My brother in law, who was born in South France, pronounces it "Chevrolé", as in "lay". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
85lebaront2 Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 Thanks for asking that. I didn't have the courage to ask Haha, no shame about this kind of question! Let's say I know a little bit about French things, and I'm always surprised when my US friends make "french" statements that I never heard anything about... In this case, I learned that a truck simply needs to have a french name to become a French Truck. Okay... Also (thanks to Gary) I previously learned that my US friends call the Chevrolet brand Bowtie. Because of the emblem shape. Guess what, you have to live in English to know that story. Because here, a Chevrolet is just... a Chevrolet. Not a «noeud papillon». Oh, and about the pronunciation. French is like any other language, it's colored by multiple accents shades. So, in Quebec we say "Chevrolè" (like "let it be" but not pronouncing the "t", le[] it be). My brother in law, who was born in South France, pronounces it "Chevrolé", as in "lay". Cheap Heap Every Valve Rattles Oil Leaks Every Time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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