ArdWrknTrk Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 I don't think there is a better way for the website when we have large documents, but I'm willing to consider something else. Given that, I'll take embedding off the table as a requirement for the new forum. Gary, I don’t think that the issue is about embedding. I think it’s more about Word and Excel documents. Let’s take Manuals and literature as example. The table works well on a desktop computer, but is very annoying to navigate in from a mobile device (iPhone or iPad in my case). In this table, if I click on "open link", I get a long delay before it opens the document. And if the target document is a Word or Excel one, it takes forever to open it… Just for testing purpose, here is a PDF copy of the same table. Don’t know for others (Jim?), but on my Apple iGadgets, clicking a link is much faster to reach the target document. Manuals_&_Literature.pdf I suspect that using PDF format for tables and documents would greatly accelerate the library navigation, and this format would be more "friendly" for mobile devices. I don't even attempt it from an older (non premium) Android. Occasionally, I'll click some link or tab that brings me to this type of stuff. I've got better things to do than waste my time with any of that Gary's already told me that this is how he does things. 🤷♂️ Constructive criticism is one thing, but criticizing someone for the effort they make is completely counterproductive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted February 23 Author Share Posted February 23 I don't think there is a better way for the website when we have large documents, but I'm willing to consider something else. Given that, I'll take embedding off the table as a requirement for the new forum. Gary, I don’t think that the issue is about embedding. I think it’s more about Word and Excel documents. Let’s take Manuals and literature as example. The table works well on a desktop computer, but is very annoying to navigate in from a mobile device (iPhone or iPad in my case). In this table, if I click on "open link", I get a long delay before it opens the document. And if the target document is a Word or Excel one, it takes forever to open it… Just for testing purpose, here is a PDF copy of the same table. Don’t know for others (Jim?), but on my Apple iGadgets, clicking a link is much faster to reach the target document. Manuals_&_Literature.pdf I suspect that using PDF format for tables and documents would greatly accelerate the library navigation, and this format would be more "friendly" for mobile devices. Jeff - Let's test your theory out. I put your pdf on the page above the Excel version. So you can test both versions. I've tested and the biggest difference I see is that on the pdf table it opens directly, but on the Excel version you may have to click a time or two and then you get a popup with an option to open the link. But I can't tell that one is faster than the other. Or, do I need to take the Excel version off the page to test? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted February 23 Author Share Posted February 23 Gary's already told me that this is how he does things. 🤷♂️ Constructive criticism is one thing, but criticizing someone for the effort they make is completely counterproductive. I think what I said, or meant to say, is that it is how I know to do things. I'm open to a better way, and maybe Jeff's found one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdWrknTrk Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Gary's already told me that this is how he does things. 🤷♂️ Constructive criticism is one thing, but criticizing someone for the effort they make is completely counterproductive. I think what I said, or meant to say, is that it is how I know to do things. I'm open to a better way, and maybe Jeff's found one. I've said many times before "I got nothing" If I can't offer a better alternative, it's time for me to "shut up and sit down" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted February 23 Author Share Posted February 23 I've said many times before "I got nothing" If I can't offer a better alternative, it's time for me to "shut up and sit down" NO! Please don't shut up. Even if you don't have a better suggestion at least I need you to tell me when you have problems. I can't fix it if I don't know about it, and while I might not be able to if I know, maybe someone else can help. Like Jeff's suggestion to use a pdf instead of Excel. I would never have thought of that as "table" means Excel to me. But my pdf editor will allow it as well. So we need to figure out if that works better. As said, I put his pdf on the same page as the Excel file, and maybe that was a mistake. But if there are two problems, meaning one of opening the table and the other using it, then this should answer the 2nd question. And if that does improve the response I can remove the Excel file to test that way. So y'all please test. I've tested and am not finding much speed difference but there is a usability improvement with the pdf table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdWrknTrk Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 NO! Please don't shut up. Even if you don't have a better suggestion at least I need you to tell me when you have problems. I can't fix it if I don't know about it, and while I might not be able to if I know, maybe someone else can help. Like Jeff's suggestion to use a pdf instead of Excel. I would never have thought of that as "table" means Excel to me. But my pdf editor will allow it as well. So we need to figure out if that works better. As said, I put his pdf on the same page as the Excel file, and maybe that was a mistake. But if there are two problems, meaning one of opening the table and the other using it, then this should answer the 2nd question. And if that does improve the response I can remove the Excel file to test that way. So y'all please test. I've tested and am not finding much speed difference but there is a usability improvement with the pdf table. The PDF only prompts a download. Useless for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBrother-84 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Gary's already told me that this is how he does things. 🤷♂️Constructive criticism is one thing, but criticizing someone for the effort they make is completely counterproductive.I think what I said, or meant to say, is that it is how I know to do things. I'm open to a better way, and maybe Jeff's found one.Gary, here is a short video showing «small iPhone» behavior. As you can see, the two tables (PDF and XLS) move around, we don't see it all, no possibility to zoom on it, it slides in around. So maybe this is the first issue, the way the tables are inserted «in a frame» on the web page. In this video, I first use the PDF table, to open a link pointing to a .DOC brochure, then to a PDF one.I did the same with the XLS table. You can see how I mess around to simply click on "open link". From each of the two tables, opening a target Word format brochure takes forever, looking at the pulsing W.Opening a PDF target brochure is much faster. My observation (you'll make your own): 1- Would be easier if the table (XLS or PDF) wasn't in another frame, so we could directly zoom in-out the content. But maybe this is a HTML limitation. 2- A PDF table is much easier than a XLS one, clicking on a link is direct and fast. 3- PDF or JPEG formats are much faster for the the target documents opening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted February 23 Author Share Posted February 23 Gary, here is a short video showing «small iPhone» behavior. As you can see, the two tables (PDF and XLS) move around, we don't see it all, no possibility to zoom on it, it slides in around. So maybe this is the first issue, the way the tables are inserted «in a frame» on the web page. In this video, I first use the PDF table, to open a link pointing to a .DOC brochure, then to a PDF one.I did the same with the XLS table. You can see how I mess around to simply click on "open link". From each of the two tables, opening a target Word format brochure takes forever, looking at the pulsing W.Opening a PDF target brochure is much faster. My observation (you'll make your own): 1- Would be easier if the table (XLS or PDF) wasn't in another frame, so we could directly zoom in-out the content. But maybe this is a HTML limitation. 2- A PDF table is much easier than a XLS one, clicking on a link is direct and fast. 3- PDF or JPEG formats are much faster for the the target documents opening.Ok guys, there is a really clunky way to create a table in Weebly. It uses a plugin for tables, but it apparently wasn't meant for something this large.But lets test it. Go to the new page in the menu called Test Page For Tables. There you'll see the table in all of its ugliness. But it has enough rows and columns to replicate what we have. Lets see how bad it is. I don't like it on my phone, and I really don't like setting it up. But you tell me if it has possibilities.And Jeff, you are right, there are two problems - the table and then loading the file or pic. And pics load a lot faster. But you can't search a pic and pics of multi-page documents don't work. So if we are going to have large documents people will just have to wait for them to load - unless there's a better way I'm not aware of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBrother-84 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Ok guys, there is a really clunky way to create a table in Weebly. It uses a plugin for tables, but it apparently wasn't meant for something this large. But lets test it. Go to the new page in the menu called Test Page For Tables. There you'll see the table in all of its ugliness. But it has enough rows and columns to replicate what we have. Lets see how bad it is. I don't like it on my phone, and I really don't like setting it up. But you tell me if it has possibilities. And Jeff, you are right, there are two problems - the table and then loading the file or pic. And pics load a lot faster. But you can't search a pic and pics of multi-page documents don't work. So if we are going to have large documents people will just have to wait for them to load - unless there's a better way I'm not aware of. In my case, for all my devices (desktop computer, iPhone and iPad): • I can zoom in-out flawlessly, very useful. • Clicking on the target document link is easy and direct. Desktop computer: Perfect iPad: Perfect iPhone Mini: • Portrait, everything is shrink, unreadable and u-g-l-y: • Landscape, correct. Don't understand why the "84" column is shrink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBrother-84 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 And pics load a lot faster. Gary, I just realized that target files are Word or Jpeg format... Never PDF. I thought that the pict brochures were PDF ones, sorry... So, you are right, the pict ones load much faster than the .DOC ones. Question: There is no way to have PDF target files? I suspect that they could probably load faster than .DOC ones. And, as Word documents, PDF can keep hyperlinks in the text, if required. Anyway, maybe we should wait to find a new platform to see how it will perform? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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