ArdWrknTrk Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 That's scary! But what it is saying makes sense. Especially the closing statement: It's worth noting that Anthropic's AI Assistant, Claude, is not an open source product, so the company may have a vested interest in promoting closed-source AI solutions. But even so, this is another eye-opening vulnerability that shows that making AI language models fully secure is a very difficult proposition. And it fits with what I've seen - that at least Copilot will not adhere to the guidelines you give it. Period. So you cannot trust the results. Ask Michael Cohen. Or any of the other idiots that use a chatbot to write a court brief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted January 16 Author Share Posted January 16 Or any of the other idiots that use a chatbot to write a court brief. Yuppers. You simply cannot trust what they write. I was just thinking that having mentioned Copilot time after time in such negative terms that maybe Microsoft will get the point. But they are probably using Copilot to watch for comments and its response when I asked it to summarize what we'd said about it was laughable. It twisted things so badly to make them positive you couldn't recognize anything. So it would be a poor tool to use for monitoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
85lebaront2 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Yuppers. You simply cannot trust what they write. I was just thinking that having mentioned Copilot time after time in such negative terms that maybe Microsoft will get the point. But they are probably using Copilot to watch for comments and its response when I asked it to summarize what we'd said about it was laughable. It twisted things so badly to make them positive you couldn't recognize anything. So it would be a poor tool to use for monitoring. Sounds like it was written for the lame stream media to twist everything to their views, full speed ahead, reality be damned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdWrknTrk Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Sounds like it was written for the lame stream media to twist everything to their views, full speed ahead, reality be damned. https://arstechnica.com/ai/2024/01/report-microsofts-ai-infusion-hasnt-helped-bing-take-share-from-google/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted January 22 Author Share Posted January 22 https://arstechnica.com/ai/2024/01/report-microsofts-ai-infusion-hasnt-helped-bing-take-share-from-google/ To me Google Chrome has a required feature that Bing doesn't have - the ability to force the search to be verbatim. Some say that you can just put quotes around the parameters and get the same results, but that's not true as it forces the parameters to be in exactly the same order as you typed. But "verbatim" doesn't do that. I can find what I'm looking for many times using that feature and I'm not willing to give it up. So until Bing gives it to me I won't be using Bing - for most things. But, I did just try using the combo of Bing & Copilot and asked "What is the best price you can find the the Bosch relay number 0-332-019-103?" And the results were very good and FAR better than asking Google the same question. Here they are from Copilot: Here are some prices I found for the Bosch relay 0-332-019-103: - At [CarParts.com](^1^), it's priced at **$5.99**. - [Pelican Parts](^2^) has it listed for **$7.50**. - [Goldfarb & Associates Inc](^3^) offers it for **$20.00**. - On [AUTODOC](^4^), it's priced at **6.03 £**. Please note that prices may vary and it's always a good idea to check the websites for the most current prices and availability. Also, consider shipping costs and delivery times as they can affect the total cost. Source: Conversation with Bing, 1/22/2024 (1) 0-332-019-103 Secondary Air Injection Pump Relay - CarParts.com. https://www.carparts.com/relay/bosch/bs0332019103. (2) Relay Bosch 0.332.019.103 0-332-019-103 0332019103 4H0951253A 0 332 019 .... https://www.pelicanparts.com/More_Info/0332019103.htm?pn=0-332-019-103-INT. (3) 0-332-019-103 New Bosch Horn Relay - Goldfarb & Associates Inc. https://goldfarbinc.com/products/0-332-019-103-horn-relay. (4) 0 332 019 103 BOSCH Relay, horn AUTODOC price and review. https://www.autodoc.co.uk/bosch/1154807. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdWrknTrk Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 To me Google Chrome has a required feature that Bing doesn't have - the ability to force the search to be verbatim. Some say that you can just put quotes around the parameters and get the same results, but that's not true as it forces the parameters to be in exactly the same order as you typed. But "verbatim" doesn't do that. I can find what I'm looking for many times using that feature and I'm not willing to give it up. So until Bing gives it to me I won't be using Bing - for most things. But, I did just try using the combo of Bing & Copilot and asked "What is the best price you can find the the Bosch relay number 0-332-019-103?" And the results were very good and FAR better than asking Google the same question. Here they are from Copilot: Here are some prices I found for the Bosch relay 0-332-019-103: - At [CarParts.com](^1^), it's priced at **$5.99**. - [Pelican Parts](^2^) has it listed for **$7.50**. - [Goldfarb & Associates Inc](^3^) offers it for **$20.00**. - On [AUTODOC](^4^), it's priced at **6.03 £**. Please note that prices may vary and it's always a good idea to check the websites for the most current prices and availability. Also, consider shipping costs and delivery times as they can affect the total cost. Source: Conversation with Bing, 1/22/2024 (1) 0-332-019-103 Secondary Air Injection Pump Relay - CarParts.com. https://www.carparts.com/relay/bosch/bs0332019103. (2) Relay Bosch 0.332.019.103 0-332-019-103 0332019103 4H0951253A 0 332 019 .... https://www.pelicanparts.com/More_Info/0332019103.htm?pn=0-332-019-103-INT. (3) 0-332-019-103 New Bosch Horn Relay - Goldfarb & Associates Inc. https://goldfarbinc.com/products/0-332-019-103-horn-relay. (4) 0 332 019 103 BOSCH Relay, horn AUTODOC price and review. https://www.autodoc.co.uk/bosch/1154807. That's what happens when you deal with an obstinate chatbot that refuses to do what you tell it to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted January 22 Author Share Posted January 22 That's what happens when you deal with an obstinate chatbot that refuses to do what you tell it to. I'm not sure I understand. Bing doesn't give me the options I want in searches. But Copilot did exactly what I asked it to do and found sellers of the relay and ranked them in price order. Chrome won't do that nor will Bing by itself. So, what did I miss? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdWrknTrk Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 That's what happens when you deal with an obstinate chatbot that refuses to do what you tell it to. I'm not sure I understand. Bing doesn't give me the options I want in searches. But Copilot did exactly what I asked it to do and found sellers of the relay and ranked them in price order. Chrome won't do that nor will Bing by itself. So, what did I miss? I mised that you were talking of the browser and not Bing chat. This is what happens when marketing decides that different products/services need the same name... MS is completely stupid if they implement a browser that won't deliver exact terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdWrknTrk Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 I mised that you were talking of the browser and not Bing chat. This is what happens when marketing decides that different products/services need the same name... MS is completely stupid if they implement a browser that won't deliver exact terms. Topical: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/01/microsoft-edge-is-apparently-seamlessly-usurping-chrome-on-peoples-pcs/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2024/01/rhyming-ai-powered-clock-sometimes-lies-about-the-time-makes-up-words/ https://arstechnica.com/security/2024/01/ars-reader-reports-chatgpt-is-sending-him-conversations-from-unrelated-ai-users/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted January 31 Author Share Posted January 31 Topical: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/01/microsoft-edge-is-apparently-seamlessly-usurping-chrome-on-peoples-pcs/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2024/01/rhyming-ai-powered-clock-sometimes-lies-about-the-time-makes-up-words/ https://arstechnica.com/security/2024/01/ars-reader-reports-chatgpt-is-sending-him-conversations-from-unrelated-ai-users/ We shouldn't be surprised with any of that. I've not had Edge take over my Chrome sessions or searches, but have had plenty of times when it asked me to make Edge my preferred browser. As for it making up the time, I like the statement of "and sometimes factuality comes second". And if you are playing with a giant child in the sky why would you expect it to keep your thoughts private? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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