ArdWrknTrk Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 Ok guys, I modified the previous Rag Joint page to now be the Lower Steering Shaft page: Documentation/Steering/Lower Steering Shaft. Please take a look and let me know what you think. However, I'm working in the background to get the picture sizes sorted, so I'm know that's messed up. What I'm really looking for is upgrades on the wording, flow, etc. PLEASE! I think you've done a tremendous job pulling my scattered thoughts and pictures together. Some of those photos may be staged. (there's not much point taking a picture of a steaming rag) The only things id like to see are the part numbers for the '88-'91 shaft and the number for the 2009-14 lower shaft. Also, I might add that there is no flat spring (that Cory found broken and tightened with two set screws) or plastic bush to wear out in the 2009 telescoping section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted November 13, 2023 Author Share Posted November 13, 2023 I think you've done a tremendous job pulling my scattered thoughts and pictures together. Some of those photos may be staged. (there's not much point taking a picture of a steaming rag) The only things id like to see are the part numbers for the '88-'91 shaft and the number for the 2009-14 lower shaft. Also, I might add that there is no flat spring (that Cory found broken and tightened with two set screws) or plastic bush to wear out in the 2009 telescoping section. I do have the part number in there on the 1988 - 1991 Shaft item. It says "In 1988 Ford introduced a new lower shaft with part number E8TZ 3B676-A, which should carry the ID # on it of E8TA 3E751-AA. That part was used through 1991 on the pickups." But if you missed it maybe I should make it bold or put it in red or some other color? However, I don't have the part number for the "2009-2014" in there. Looking at the RA catalog for a 2009 F150 I find the following entries, but they say that the part isn't for a 2009 - 2014 F150, but instead a 2009 & 2010 F150, although it does fit other applications out to 2014. So I think it is best that we say 2009-2010 F150 and use the part numbers of 7L1Z 3B676-A, B, & C as well as 8L1Z 3B676-A. Does that make sense? SKP SK425366: $50 FORD EXPEDITION 2007-2014 FORD F-150 2009-2010 FORD LOBO 2009-2010 LINCOLN NAVIGATOR 2007-2014 DORMAN 425366:OEM/Interchange Numbers: 7L1Z3B676A, 7L1Z3B676B, 7L1Z3B676C, 8L1Z3B676A $107 DORMAN 425387 Steering Shaft: OEM/Interchange Numbers: 7L1Z3E751A $109 FORD EXPEDITION 2007-2014 FORD F-150 2009-2010 LINCOLN NAVIGATOR 2007-2014 Lares 507: OEM/Interchange Numbers: 425366, 7L1Z3B676A, 7L1Z3B676B, 7L1Z3B676C, 8L1Z3B676A Out of stock, so no price Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdWrknTrk Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 I do have the part number in there on the 1988 - 1991 Shaft item. It says "In 1988 Ford introduced a new lower shaft with part number E8TZ 3B676-A, which should carry the ID # on it of E8TA 3E751-AA. That part was used through 1991 on the pickups." But if you missed it maybe I should make it bold or put it in red or some other color? However, I don't have the part number for the "2009-2014" in there. Looking at the RA catalog for a 2009 F150 I find the following entries, but they say that the part isn't for a 2009 - 2014 F150, but instead a 2009 & 2010 F150, although it does fit other applications out to 2014. So I think it is best that we say 2009-2010 F150 and use the part numbers of 7L1Z 3B676-A, B, & C as well as 8L1Z 3B676-A. Does that make sense? SKP SK425366: $50 FORD EXPEDITION 2007-2014 FORD F-150 2009-2010 FORD LOBO 2009-2010 LINCOLN NAVIGATOR 2007-2014 DORMAN 425366:OEM/Interchange Numbers: 7L1Z3B676A, 7L1Z3B676B, 7L1Z3B676C, 8L1Z3B676A $107 DORMAN 425387 Steering Shaft: OEM/Interchange Numbers: 7L1Z3E751A $109 FORD EXPEDITION 2007-2014 FORD F-150 2009-2010 LINCOLN NAVIGATOR 2007-2014 Lares 507: OEM/Interchange Numbers: 425366, 7L1Z3B676A, 7L1Z3B676B, 7L1Z3B676C, 8L1Z3B676A Out of stock, so no price That's odd. The eBay listing I bought from definitely said '09-14 F-150 1A Auto gives me #8L1Z-3B676-A Here's a screenshot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted November 14, 2023 Author Share Posted November 14, 2023 That's odd. The eBay listing I bought from definitely said '09-14 F-150 1A Auto gives me #8L1Z-3B676-A Here's a screenshot RA says that a 2014 F150 takes a BL3Z 3B676-A, which is a different #. That doesn't mean it won't fit though. Given the conflicting info we have, I think the safe thing to do is to use the part number info of 7L1Z 3B676-A, B, & C as well as 8L1Z 3B676-A. And include the application info that Dorman provides with those #'s. How does that sound? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdWrknTrk Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 RA says that a 2014 F150 takes a BL3Z 3B676-A, which is a different #. That doesn't mean it won't fit though. Given the conflicting info we have, I think the safe thing to do is to use the part number info of 7L1Z 3B676-A, B, & C as well as 8L1Z 3B676-A. And include the application info that Dorman provides with those #'s. How does that sound? Fine with me. Heck, were cutting the ends off anyhow.... Who cares what it fits? These seem to be $33~ delivered on eBay and ~45 Amazon Prime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdWrknTrk Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 I do have the part number in there on the 1988 - 1991 Shaft item. It says "In 1988 Ford introduced a new lower shaft with part number E8TZ 3B676-A, which should carry the ID # on it of E8TA 3E751-AA. That part was used through 1991 on the pickups." When I look at the chart, under /Part Numbers/ it says "lower -'82/'88- also replace 3524 & 3E715, tilt wheel only." I don't have tilt wheel. Perhaps I misunderstand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted November 14, 2023 Author Share Posted November 14, 2023 I do have the part number in there on the 1988 - 1991 Shaft item. It says "In 1988 Ford introduced a new lower shaft with part number E8TZ 3B676-A, which should carry the ID # on it of E8TA 3E751-AA. That part was used through 1991 on the pickups." When I look at the chart, under /Part Numbers/ it says "lower -'82/'88- also replace 3524 & 3E715, tilt wheel only." I don't have tilt wheel. Perhaps I misunderstand? That's one reason I've not mentioned buying a replacement Bullnose lower shaft. I do NOT understand the table of part numbers! From what I see there's: All before 2/81 take E0TZ-A. This should mean power and manual steering and tilt as well as non-tilt columns. 2/81 to 12/81 the manual steering trucks take E1TZ-A and power steering takes E1TZ-B, regardless of tilt or not From 12/81 to the end of the catalog, meaning 1989, the manual steering trucks take E2TZ-A. But the power steering trucks should use E8TZ-A. However, that must surely have originally been E2TZ-B. And then there's the part you referenced that says "1982/88-also replace 3524 & 3E715, tilt wheel only." 3524 is Shaft assy, (steering column), meaning the lower shaft in the steering column. And 3E715 is Actuator (steering column lock lever). So it looks to me like if you replace the lower shaft you are supposed to change out some parts in the column as well - on trucks with a tilt column. Does the above seem to capture what the table says? If so maybe I should include that on the Part Numbers tab? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdWrknTrk Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 That's one reason I've not mentioned buying a replacement Bullnose lower shaft. I do NOT understand the table of part numbers! From what I see there's: All before 2/81 take E0TZ-A. This should mean power and manual steering and tilt as well as non-tilt columns. 2/81 to 12/81 the manual steering trucks take E1TZ-A and power steering takes E1TZ-B, regardless of tilt or not From 12/81 to the end of the catalog, meaning 1989, the manual steering trucks take E2TZ-A. But the power steering trucks should use E8TZ-A. However, that must surely have originally been E2TZ-B. And then there's the part you referenced that says "1982/88-also replace 3524 & 3E715, tilt wheel only." 3524 is Shaft assy, (steering column), meaning the lower shaft in the steering column. And 3E715 is Actuator (steering column lock lever). So it looks to me like if you replace the lower shaft you are supposed to change out some parts in the column as well - on trucks with a tilt column. Does the above seem to capture what the table says? If so maybe I should include that on the Part Numbers tab? It looks to me like 3B676 is a lower shaft (ALL lower shafts) And 3524 must be upper (hinged) with 3E715 being the hinged actuator that always breaks. Maybe ping Ralph? He seems to be our resident counter jockey and the one who can best make sense of the book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted November 14, 2023 Author Share Posted November 14, 2023 It looks to me like 3B676 is a lower shaft (ALL lower shafts) And 3524 must be upper (hinged) with 3E715 being the hinged actuator that always breaks. Maybe ping Ralph? He seems to be our resident counter jockey and the one who can best make sense of the book. Jim - Yes, 3B676 is the lower shaft, even up to today. The part number for what you bought is BL3Z 3B676-A. And you are right on the other parts, although I don't understand why they need to be changed if the lower shaft is changed. Ralph - Can you help us here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdWrknTrk Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 From what I see there's: "1982/88-also replace 3524 & 3E715, tilt wheel only." 3524 is Shaft assy, (steering column), meaning the lower shaft in the steering column. And 3E715 is Actuator (steering column lock lever). You seemed to suggest that 3524 was the lower column. But, as we all know, EVERY Ford lower column carries the same 3B676 number... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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