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New Fuel Tank/Sending Unit

emunder
Yesterday I dropped my gas tank. Had a new tank and sending unit that's been sitting in boxes for a while now. Once it was all installed I put about 3.5 gallons of gas I had in the shop and put it in to get me to the gas station. When I was done and cranked the truck the gauge was still sitting at dead empty. Not gonna lie, I was super frustrated. I knew the wiring was correct because the electric fuel pump was working. Figured I'd go fill it up in case the float was stuck or not reading the small amount of gas I had in there or, worse-case scenario...run out the tank and pull it back out to re-check everything. Leaving the gas station the needle just started working it's way up real slow. By the time I got back in the shop at my house it was reading all the way full. Anyone else have issues with these sending units being finicky?

1986 Ford F150 XLT 4X4. 300 I6 w/ 4 speed manual.
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CRittaler
I replaced both pumps and sending units in mine. I had to adjust the float positions on both senders to have them read mostly right.  Mine both swing to almost full and are on E with 5 gallons left.

They're finicky and I got tired of dropping the tanks so close enough for me.
Chris
1985 Ford F250 XLT SuperCab
ZF5-42 swapped 460 hot fuel, factory AC.
Part way through 4WD swap.

1988 Suzuki Samurai -- Daily Driver
1968 Dodge Dart -- Project car
1957 Chevy 4400 Flat Bed -- Collector Project
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emunder
Ok thx bud, appreciate it!
1986 Ford F150 XLT 4X4. 300 I6 w/ 4 speed manual.
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viven44
Do you have a 5 pin fuel selector switch ?

If you do then on your truck, the sending unit's resistance value goes through the selector switch. If the selector switch has a high resistance it will make it look like the fuel tank is empty. After a while the switch may settle causing the sending unit's resistance to be sent through.

You can either replace that switch or open it up and fix it.

Here is my video that talks about it a bit
https://youtu.be/8RJJYuAFSgs?si=pUoFMYAg_U-jtZa6
Vivek

- 'Big Blue 2WD' - 1984 F350 RWD 460/C6
- 1978 Bronco with the heart of a 1986 F250 Bullnose - under restoration
- "Bonded Bronco" -1985 Bronco - 302 4-speed fuel injected, Hibernating future project
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ArdWrknTrk
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This is not true.
The selector switch should have negligible resistance.
Resistance comes from the sender.

The gauges work by heating up a bimetallic spring, just like a choke cap.
This damps movement, preventing wild swings from gas sloshing around.in the tank.
Hysteresis is built into the gauge itself, because it can't heat or cool instantly from the tiny power it gets from the ICVR.

Edit: response, to a deleted post....
 Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.
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viven44
Yes the selector switch has negligible resistance but as the switch ages, it will develop resistance and that will prevent the sending unit resistance value to reach the gauge. In the picture below the link in the circle, when that has a high resistance it will completely overwhelm any sending unit resistance. Worse case if the switch is fully open, the sending unit is pretty much useless

Edit: I deleted because I wanted to double check the wiring diagram. I am sure of it now!!

Vivek

- 'Big Blue 2WD' - 1984 F350 RWD 460/C6
- 1978 Bronco with the heart of a 1986 F250 Bullnose - under restoration
- "Bonded Bronco" -1985 Bronco - 302 4-speed fuel injected, Hibernating future project
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ArdWrknTrk
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My truck is 37 years old and I don't see that my switch makes the readings bad when I test with a meter.

But I have old senders and a new style cluster, so my gauges read backwards and I run out when they reach up to 5/8 on the dash.

Metermatch is useless for me.😖
I'd rather have some indication than none at all.
 Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.
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viven44
Down here in the dust bowl area, we have those switches full of junk when I open them up. I opened and fixed the 78 Bronco's tailgate switch the other day. It was reading about 80 ohms in the down position. No wonder the window wouldn't go down. After I wire brushed the internal contacts, everything was honky dory

I think in your 87 truck's switch, the sending unit is hooked up to the gauge through the selector valve right ? As long as the switch commands the selector valve properly it should be good.
Vivek

- 'Big Blue 2WD' - 1984 F350 RWD 460/C6
- 1978 Bronco with the heart of a 1986 F250 Bullnose - under restoration
- "Bonded Bronco" -1985 Bronco - 302 4-speed fuel injected, Hibernating future project
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ArdWrknTrk
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I don't have Hot Fuel Handling, or an electric pump,  but I do believe that my 6-port valve switches senders.
I'll have to find my EVTM as it's supposed to continue raining at least into Sunday.
 Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.
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emunder
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Are y’all talking about the tank selector switch? If so mine is a single tank.
1986 Ford F150 XLT 4X4. 300 I6 w/ 4 speed manual.
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ArdWrknTrk
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I definitely am.
But evidently that's all in response to Chris having mentioned his fuel tanks sending units plural directly underneath your original post.

I apologize for the tangent, and should have known to more closely read the subject and not just correct the responses.
 Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.
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emunder
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No worries!
1986 Ford F150 XLT 4X4. 300 I6 w/ 4 speed manual.
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viven44
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I am sorry as well for assuming it was dual tanks... thats what started all this :) :)

But I am curious. Was your truck single tank from factory ?  Meaning your dash doesn't have a selector switch at all. Don't think I've seen a bullnose with single tank but I know they exist as the EVTM has wiring diagrams for single/dual tanks. If its single tank only, the sending unit is wired straight to gauge.
Vivek

- 'Big Blue 2WD' - 1984 F350 RWD 460/C6
- 1978 Bronco with the heart of a 1986 F250 Bullnose - under restoration
- "Bonded Bronco" -1985 Bronco - 302 4-speed fuel injected, Hibernating future project
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emunder
All good man. Yep…8’ bed with single tank.
1986 Ford F150 XLT 4X4. 300 I6 w/ 4 speed manual.
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mat in tn
heck I have three single tank trucks in the garage.
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viven44
If equipped with single tank, I assume rear tank and what capacity ?
Vivek

- 'Big Blue 2WD' - 1984 F350 RWD 460/C6
- 1978 Bronco with the heart of a 1986 F250 Bullnose - under restoration
- "Bonded Bronco" -1985 Bronco - 302 4-speed fuel injected, Hibernating future project
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ArdWrknTrk
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Rear tanks are all 19 gallon, except Bronco's.
 Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.
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mat in tn
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all three of the single tank trucks are "midship", front, or side mounted. three terms of the same position. the two long beds have 19 gallon while the short bed has a 14/15 gallon depending on the listing of the maker. I can choke 15 in if I run it out. this is the reason why I took out the c6 and installed an aod . however, it has not proven to help much around town. I need a good road trip to do a good test
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viven44
Wow those capacities were seriously low. Anything from 300 - 351 probably only got 150-200 mile range in the city.

That said, I'm sure it was very much acceptable for cars/trucks back then.
Vivek

- 'Big Blue 2WD' - 1984 F350 RWD 460/C6
- 1978 Bronco with the heart of a 1986 F250 Bullnose - under restoration
- "Bonded Bronco" -1985 Bronco - 302 4-speed fuel injected, Hibernating future project
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mat in tn
about correct on range. with the 300 I'm getting almost 14 but with 32/11.5/15s. that is with c6 and 3.08 gear. now it is 4.10 with overdrive and rpm is at least 400 less at 70 so I'm trying tuning, drive style to see how much better I can get. but I'm always driving different vehicles while my personal truck sits for weeks.
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