Steering Stabilizer Attachment Point

[Machspeed]

Went out the other night after work to install a steering stabilizer on my truck, only to come to the conclusion that I don't like the way it attaches to the frame rail. Maybe if the frame rail were boxed, I could go along with it, but this is really cheesy to me. See picture as to how it attaches to the frame. Thinking about making an "L" shaped bracket out of a piece of angle iron and attaching it to the lower frame rail. Anyone install a steering stabilizer on their truck?

[Gary Lewis]

John - I don't have a steering stabilizer - yet. So I can't really answer your question and hope someone else can.

But that design is really poor A flat strap is going to flex, especially when extended that far below the lower frame rail and with a hole that weakens it right on the lip of the rail where the forces are concentrated. You could strengthen it a lot by replacing the inner strap with the piece of angle you mentioned. And move the bottom bolt up to to higher hole. Plus cut off the extra length of the outer strap just beyond the upper hole as well as the extra length of the bolts. That would make it a bit neater as well as stronger.

But it isn't kosher to drill the lower flange of the frame as that weakens it. It is ok to drill the vertical part of the frame as it is basically just keeping the upper and lower flanges in place. So while a piece of angle bolted to the bottom flange would seem like a good idea, I don't think it is.

Maybe you could design something that would bolt to the two holes towards the front and the one almost under the strap that would then have a piece projecting below the frame for the stabilizer? A piece of channel opening to the inside, and then a piece of angle welded to it and pointing down?

[Machspeed]

John - I don't have a steering stabilizer - yet. So I can't really answer your question and hope someone else can.

But that design is really poor A flat strap is going to flex, especially when extended that far below the lower frame rail and with a hole that weakens it right on the lip of the rail where the forces are concentrated. You could strengthen it a lot by replacing the inner strap with the piece of angle you mentioned. And move the bottom bolt up to to higher hole. Plus cut off the extra length of the outer strap just beyond the upper hole as well as the extra length of the bolts. That would make it a bit neater as well as stronger.

But it isn't kosher to drill the lower flange of the frame as that weakens it. It is ok to drill the vertical part of the frame as it is basically just keeping the upper and lower flanges in place. So while a piece of angle bolted to the bottom flange would seem like a good idea, I don't think it is.

Maybe you could design something that would bolt to the two holes towards the front and the one almost under the strap that would then have a piece projecting below the frame for the stabilizer? A piece of channel opening to the inside, and then a piece of angle welded to it and pointing down?

Thanks Gary! Though I mentioned a piece of angle to the bottom of the frame rail, I did feel uncomfortable drilling it. What do you think about getting a piece of channel with legs to the depth of the bottom frame rail and notching it (the channel) to slide in and sit flush against the vertical inside wall of the frame rail? Basically, the channel would run vertically into the frame rail and extend below the frame to accommodate the shock of the dampener. It would be secured by two bolts.

[kramttocs]

Thanks Gary! Though I mentioned a piece of angle to the bottom of the frame rail, I did feel uncomfortable drilling it. What do you think about getting a piece of channel with legs to the depth of the bottom frame rail and notching it (the channel) to slide in and sit flush against the vertical inside wall of the frame rail? Basically, the channel would run vertically into the frame rail and extend below the frame to accommodate the shock of the dampener. It would be secured by two bolts.

I looked into this a few years ago and here is a post I made:

Have done some web and thread searching on this but feel like I must be missing something.

My want is to add a steering stabilizer to my 1986 F250 4x4. Steering is great so not trying to fix a problem. I just want one

But I don't want the kind that you ubolt to the passenger side frame rail. Just personal reasons I'll admit.

I was looking at how the one on my dad's 94 F350 (dana 60) mounts and it's exactly what I want. It has a flat bar that bolts to two of the axle/leaf ubolts and then has a short angled piece going down from it that the stabilizer mounts to. Then it has the typical ubolt bracket that the other end hooks to.

I tried to find that part since I have to believe it's factory on his truck but surprisingly (lack of good searching skills?) didn't have any luck. I did come across one kit somewhere that mentioned it ONLY worked with the solid axle so that got me to thinking that for some reason I wouldn't be able to use the leaf ubolt method. This kit wasn't the style I wanted - it was just the note that it was solid axle specific that stuck with me.

Then the other day I found an 85 f250 4x4 in the jy that had the bracket I want. I pulled it and am going to make sure it isn't bent all wonky since the stabilizer itself is bent (going to compare it to my dad's).

Is there some reason it won't work on the Dana 50? I know the truck I pulled it off of is essentially the same as mine but for all I know they could have put it on the day before they scrapped it.

The 2 reasons I feel like I am missing something is 1) because the one kit I found differentiated between ttb and solid and 2) this ubolt bracket is a really simple design ( 3 holes and bend) to have made up so I feel like I should see more mentions of it.

Here is the bracket I cut off. The left side bracket makes use of the excess u bolt threads and sandwiches the bracket between the two nuts.

As you can see, we have the same opinion on the mounting style that ubolts to the frame rail

Gary has it lucky with the D60 since he can go with a factory (and legit looking) setup. For us with the TTB (44/50), aside from the picture I took which won't work with your coil setup and may not even really work with mine, this is the most solid I've seen: https://www.dieselhub.com/maintenance/dana-44-50-steering-stabilizer.html

 

[Gary Lewis]

I looked into this a few years ago and here is a post I made:

Have done some web and thread searching on this but feel like I must be missing something.

My want is to add a steering stabilizer to my 1986 F250 4x4. Steering is great so not trying to fix a problem. I just want one

But I don't want the kind that you ubolt to the passenger side frame rail. Just personal reasons I'll admit.

I was looking at how the one on my dad's 94 F350 (dana 60) mounts and it's exactly what I want. It has a flat bar that bolts to two of the axle/leaf ubolts and then has a short angled piece going down from it that the stabilizer mounts to. Then it has the typical ubolt bracket that the other end hooks to.

I tried to find that part since I have to believe it's factory on his truck but surprisingly (lack of good searching skills?) didn't have any luck. I did come across one kit somewhere that mentioned it ONLY worked with the solid axle so that got me to thinking that for some reason I wouldn't be able to use the leaf ubolt method. This kit wasn't the style I wanted - it was just the note that it was solid axle specific that stuck with me.

Then the other day I found an 85 f250 4x4 in the jy that had the bracket I want. I pulled it and am going to make sure it isn't bent all wonky since the stabilizer itself is bent (going to compare it to my dad's).

Is there some reason it won't work on the Dana 50? I know the truck I pulled it off of is essentially the same as mine but for all I know they could have put it on the day before they scrapped it.

The 2 reasons I feel like I am missing something is 1) because the one kit I found differentiated between ttb and solid and 2) this ubolt bracket is a really simple design ( 3 holes and bend) to have made up so I feel like I should see more mentions of it.

Here is the bracket I cut off. The left side bracket makes use of the excess u bolt threads and sandwiches the bracket between the two nuts.

As you can see, we have the same opinion on the mounting style that ubolts to the frame rail

Gary has it lucky with the D60 since he can go with a factory (and legit looking) setup. For us with the TTB (44/50), aside from the picture I took which won't work with your coil setup and may not even really work with mine, this is the most solid I've seen: https://www.dieselhub.com/maintenance/dana-44-50-steering-stabilizer.html

Scott - I wasn't aware that there's a factory bracket for the D60. So now I need to be on the lookout for one of those.

And I'll report for John/Machspeed, although maybe he'll have more details soon. He told me the other day that a friend that's a guru with CAD and metal-working stopped by to take some measurements and is going to make something that John thinks will be strong and look "factory". So maybe there will be a neat solution for the TTB crowd.

[grumpin]

Scott - I wasn't aware that there's a factory bracket for the D60. So now I need to be on the lookout for one of those.

And I'll report for John/Machspeed, although maybe he'll have more details soon. He told me the other day that a friend that's a guru with CAD and metal-working stopped by to take some measurements and is going to make something that John thinks will be strong and look "factory". So maybe there will be a neat solution for the TTB crowd.

FWIW, the one I pulled off my F250 is like the one in Scott’s link.

[Machspeed]

Thought I'd report on my steering stabilizer install. If you read above, you know that I bought a steering stabilizer kit from Sky Jacker and wasn't at all pleased with the bracketry. As such, I had a good friend make me up a bracket that fits into the frame for which I was able to use existing holes to secure it, thus no drilling the frame which really made me happy. With his bracket, it went together nicely.

After test fit and install, I took it for a ride and I'm not sure I can tell much of a difference. Since rebuilding of the box and changing out the steering shaft, my steering has been really nice and tight. I don't know if it was this tight when I bought the truck. Anyway, my desire to add this to the truck stems from reading that a steering dampener will help in reducing wear on front-end components. As I've replaced front end parts on this truck three times now, I don't have a whole lot of faith in the engineering of it. This last time, I spent a little more money and got good Moog components so maybe with that and the addition of the dampener, I'll not have to address this again.

[grumpin]

Thought I'd report on my steering stabilizer install. If you read above, you know that I bought a steering stabilizer kit from Sky Jacker and wasn't at all pleased with the bracketry. As such, I had a good friend make me up a bracket that fits into the frame for which I was able to use existing holes to secure it, thus no drilling the frame which really made me happy. With his bracket, it went together nicely.

After test fit and install, I took it for a ride and I'm not sure I can tell much of a difference. Since rebuilding of the box and changing out the steering shaft, my steering has been really nice and tight. I don't know if it was this tight when I bought the truck. Anyway, my desire to add this to the truck stems from reading that a steering dampener will help in reducing wear on front-end components. As I've replaced front end parts on this truck three times now, I don't have a whole lot of faith in the engineering of it. This last time, I spent a little more money and got good Moog components so maybe with that and the addition of the dampener, I'll not have to address this again.

That looks better! Nice job!

[kramttocs]

That looks better! Nice job!

Agreed. That bracket looks great and substantial!

[mat in tn]

Agreed. That bracket looks great and substantial!

firm believer in moog problem solver parts. they were suggested to me by a front-end:nabble_laughing-25-x-25_orig: shop in Nashville back in 93. they are still in bubba today! mic drop.