Paulco Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 Hello I keep having the same issue about every 6 to 9 months. I am on my 3rd Starter motor and they all have the same issue. Eventually the starter motor just spins and does not connect to the fly wheel, I can usually turn the engine manually and get a connection but even that after a while stops working. The truck is 1981 F150 4x4 302 V8 short bed with automatic transmission. This is the info I use when ordering a starter motor but maybe I am missing something. When I look at the starter motors I see the front of the teeth are worn as if the whole gear cog on the starter does not engage the flywheel fully. The battery and solenoid are about 2 years old. Any ideas would be appreciated. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratdude747 Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 Two questions: 1. What condition is the flexplate in? The teeth on mine were pretty chewed up... while I had my engine out I replaced it. 2. You're on the stock type of starter... that is, a one wire (moving pole) starter, not a PMGR with a separate solenoid wire? The original Moving-pole type starters can be rough on starter teeth as the motor spins while the gear is slid into place (or so I've read). The PMGR of the 1990's fixed this among other improvements (faster cranking, less battery demand, etc.)... one reason why it's a common swap (other than replacing the starter for the newer unit, all one does is move the existing starter cable to battery hot, and add a 12 gauge wire from the solenoid output to the motor's solenoid). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted April 25, 2022 Author Share Posted April 25, 2022 Two questions: 1. What condition is the flexplate in? The teeth on mine were pretty chewed up... while I had my engine out I replaced it. 2. You're on the stock type of starter... that is, a one wire (moving pole) starter, not a PMGR with a separate solenoid wire? The original Moving-pole type starters can be rough on starter teeth as the motor spins while the gear is slid into place (or so I've read). The PMGR of the 1990's fixed this among other improvements (faster cranking, less battery demand, etc.)... one reason why it's a common swap (other than replacing the starter for the newer unit, all one does is move the existing starter cable to battery hot, and add a 12 gauge wire from the solenoid output to the motor's solenoid). Not sure about the condition of the flex plate. The starter motor is the stock type with a moving pole, where can I purchase a PMGR? I assume there is a specific model for my truck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
85lebaront2 Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 Not sure about the condition of the flex plate. The starter motor is the stock type with a moving pole, where can I purchase a PMGR? I assume there is a specific model for my truck. Get one for a 1990 Lincoln Town Car 5.0L. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratdude747 Posted April 26, 2022 Share Posted April 26, 2022 Not sure about the condition of the flex plate. The starter motor is the stock type with a moving pole, where can I purchase a PMGR? I assume there is a specific model for my truck. Any 1990+ 5.0 or 4.9 Automatic will do. The one I installed on my 4.9 came off a 1994 5.0 F150 (If I remember the eBay listing correct). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenoHuskerDu Posted April 26, 2022 Share Posted April 26, 2022 I'm not young anymore and I always wondered when I'd see those teeth worn out. Only seen a couple, on parts trucks. Good to know of a fix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted April 26, 2022 Author Share Posted April 26, 2022 I'm not young anymore and I always wondered when I'd see those teeth worn out. Only seen a couple, on parts trucks. Good to know of a fix Is the wiring set up the same for these starters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted April 26, 2022 Share Posted April 26, 2022 Is the wiring set up the same for these starters? Not quite. Go to Documentation/Electrical/PMGR Starter Wiring for the minor change that is needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted April 28, 2022 Author Share Posted April 28, 2022 Not quite. Go to Documentation/Electrical/PMGR Starter Wiring for the minor change that is needed. Thanks, I reviewed the wiring. Below is a picture of the starter I purchased, do you know how the black wire in the picture should be connected? The orange label says 'DO NOT REMOVE, attach to existing lead'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratdude747 Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 Thanks, I reviewed the wiring. Below is a picture of the starter I purchased, do you know how the black wire in the picture should be connected? The orange label says 'DO NOT REMOVE, attach to existing lead'. That appears to be the solenoid wire... that's where the "new" wire is supposed to connect. IMO it's best to pitch that pigtail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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