Miss fire help

[Danny G]

OK, fun story my sister in law drives a 99 CR-V that is misfiring on 3 of 4 cylinders. I think she has a valve issue and she is kinda broke. So that prompted me with an idea. If I can find a running parts vehicle, she can drive my car and I can drive the parts vehicle.

I found a 1995 E150 with 300 six and automatic transmission. Trying to figure which transmission it is but it's "brand new" the whole van is up for $1000 which means I can get a transmission and whole bunch of parts for $1000. Of course this is an EFI engine.

Here is what the gentleman has said:

"new (not rebuilt) transmission, starter, distributor, engine computer, recent tires, and random miss-fire"

How would I troubleshoot that misfire? If I can get this van running smooth this is a great solution buying her time and me parts that could be used in the truck.

[Gary Lewis]

That WOULD be a good solution!

I think a '95 will have an E4OD, but it might also be a 4R100 as some place in there was the cutover. But the transmissions are almost identical, with the 4R being a bit better due to some improvements.

Coupling either of those transmissions to your 300 up front and 3.00 out back will give you really tall gearing once it drops into OD. But you'll either have to EFI your current engine or swap the "new" engine in, or do the standalone controller bit we discussed.

As for troubleshooting the miss, the computer may be recording it. Do you have a scan .... Oh wait! '95 might still be EEC-IV and not V. If IV then it probably won't be OBD-II, although some say that a few IV's had it, although it might not be fully functional. 96 was when OBD-II was mandated, but some changed earlier. You'll have to find out what it is.

If it is OBD-II the computer should be storing codes if it is detecting the misfire. Not sure what EEC-IV detects. If it isn't detecting it then it may just be a bad plug or plug wire.

[Danny G]

That WOULD be a good solution!

I think a '95 will have an E4OD, but it might also be a 4R100 as some place in there was the cutover. But the transmissions are almost identical, with the 4R being a bit better due to some improvements.

Coupling either of those transmissions to your 300 up front and 3.00 out back will give you really tall gearing once it drops into OD. But you'll either have to EFI your current engine or swap the "new" engine in, or do the standalone controller bit we discussed.

As for troubleshooting the miss, the computer may be recording it. Do you have a scan .... Oh wait! '95 might still be EEC-IV and not V. If IV then it probably won't be OBD-II, although some say that a few IV's had it, although it might not be fully functional. 96 was when OBD-II was mandated, but some changed earlier. You'll have to find out what it is.

If it is OBD-II the computer should be storing codes if it is detecting the misfire. Not sure what EEC-IV detects. If it isn't detecting it then it may just be a bad plug or plug wire.

New information, I asked him if the misfire happened before or after the the work was done, the "misfire" happened after the new transmission went in. The new dist etc I guess was an attempt to figure out the misfire. I have not been to see it BUT I do have a OBD-I reader.

"The same time as the new transmission went in. Ford place did the rest trying to fix it. Let me know. "

As far as a swap in it definitely gives me options. I could do the controller and use my truck as is, but I was planning on adding a FiTech EFI system with DS-II at some point. May be easier to stick to a factory set up, dunno. The FiTech allows me other options as well for performance parts. I remember reading something about people like EFI heads or manifolds and putting them on their older 300 sixes.

[Danny G]

New information, I asked him if the misfire happened before or after the the work was done, the "misfire" happened after the new transmission went in. The new dist etc I guess was an attempt to figure out the misfire. I have not been to see it BUT I do have a OBD-I reader.

"The same time as the new transmission went in. Ford place did the rest trying to fix it. Let me know. "

As far as a swap in it definitely gives me options. I could do the controller and use my truck as is, but I was planning on adding a FiTech EFI system with DS-II at some point. May be easier to stick to a factory set up, dunno. The FiTech allows me other options as well for performance parts. I remember reading something about people like EFI heads or manifolds and putting them on their older 300 sixes.

I have a friend with a Lincoln that's been sitting for God knows how long still trying to get me to buy it for the AOD. It has a 5.0,l and 8.8 rear. I think the transmissions in the cars had different tail housings anyway. And I am not sure I'm up for rebuilding an AOD. $200 is cheap but I'd have to pull it, borrow a trailer to scrap the Lincoln then take the transmission to a shop for rebuild. $1000 for an EOD ready to go and possibly a second engine seems like a better deal... Heck maybe I put the EFI engine in my truck and then take the original 300 and trailer it make it into a generator lol.

[Gary Lewis]

I have a friend with a Lincoln that's been sitting for God knows how long still trying to get me to buy it for the AOD. It has a 5.0,l and 8.8 rear. I think the transmissions in the cars had different tail housings anyway. And I am not sure I'm up for rebuilding an AOD. $200 is cheap but I'd have to pull it, borrow a trailer to scrap the Lincoln then take the transmission to a shop for rebuild. $1000 for an EOD ready to go and possibly a second engine seems like a better deal... Heck maybe I put the EFI engine in my truck and then take the original 300 and trailer it make it into a generator lol.

I think the van is a better option than the Lincoln. More parts that fit.

But if the van is EEC-IV then that limits what you can do later because it is speed density, meaning it thinks it knows how much air the engine is ingesting based on the RPM and the density of the air. But if you change much, like the cam, then the 'puter will be wrong in its assumptions. And I don't know how far you can push it w/o having a problem. But, it would already come with the better manifolds, right? Maybe that's enough?

And, it would be multi-port injection. Is the Fitech MPI or throttle body?

However, it is possible the van is really EEC-V, which would be the best of all worlds.

Check it out!

[85lebaront2]

I think the van is a better option than the Lincoln. More parts that fit.

But if the van is EEC-IV then that limits what you can do later because it is speed density, meaning it thinks it knows how much air the engine is ingesting based on the RPM and the density of the air. But if you change much, like the cam, then the 'puter will be wrong in its assumptions. And I don't know how far you can push it w/o having a problem. But, it would already come with the better manifolds, right? Maybe that's enough?

And, it would be multi-port injection. Is the Fitech MPI or throttle body?

However, it is possible the van is really EEC-V, which would be the best of all worlds.

Check it out!

EEC-V started in part with the 1994.5 Powerstroke, light duty trucks E/F150 and some 250s under 8500 GVW all went to EEC-V in 1996, 1995 will still be EEC-IV, but have the CCD TFI system.

Transmissions, a very few 300s were built early in the AOD's run with them, just like they came with C4s until Ford figured out the torque of a 300 coupled with what a lot of people bought them for, the heavier transmissions were needed, so C6 and later E4ODs were put behind them. The 4R100, is an improved E4OD and was introduced mid 1998 on the 5.4L new body F250s which were a slightly beefed up F150 with 7 bolt rims and a number of other oddities. This was done because the Powerstroke would not fit under the hood of the new body (sort of like the Bullnose not being available with the 460 at first).

[Danny G]

EEC-V started in part with the 1994.5 Powerstroke, light duty trucks E/F150 and some 250s under 8500 GVW all went to EEC-V in 1996, 1995 will still be EEC-IV, but have the CCD TFI system.

Transmissions, a very few 300s were built early in the AOD's run with them, just like they came with C4s until Ford figured out the torque of a 300 coupled with what a lot of people bought them for, the heavier transmissions were needed, so C6 and later E4ODs were put behind them. The 4R100, is an improved E4OD and was introduced mid 1998 on the 5.4L new body F250s which were a slightly beefed up F150 with 7 bolt rims and a number of other oddities. This was done because the Powerstroke would not fit under the hood of the new body (sort of like the Bullnose not being available with the 460 at first).

Owner said it had an OD button on the column so I'm pretty sure he has a brand new E4OD in it.

Gary the FiTech sits on the manifold where the carb is and has multiple ports in the unit, not sure If this answers the question. sounds like the best bet may be the stock EFI set up vs aftermarket, heck a aftermarket EFI system would cost as much as the whole price of this van.

Should be a pretty straight forward swap or is there a bunch of electrical considerations.

 

[Danny G]

Owner said it had an OD button on the column so I'm pretty sure he has a brand new E4OD in it.

Gary the FiTech sits on the manifold where the carb is and has multiple ports in the unit, not sure If this answers the question. sounds like the best bet may be the stock EFI set up vs aftermarket, heck a aftermarket EFI system would cost as much as the whole price of this van.

Should be a pretty straight forward swap or is there a bunch of electrical considerations.

From my brief research looks like the EFI version of the 300 is not efficient and has a bit more performance, though I have hear horror stories about mpgs falling through the floor as well probably from something causing the computer to do something funky.

[Gary Lewis]

From my brief research looks like the EFI version of the 300 is not efficient and has a bit more performance, though I have hear horror stories about mpgs falling through the floor as well probably from something causing the computer to do something funky.

If the Fitech sits where a carb goes then it is "throttle body". That means the fuel has to find its way down the loooooong manifold branches and can fall out of suspension. Instead port-injection like the factory did is a better solution. However, I don't know about the horror stories. I've not heard them, but then I've not been listening for them either.

And it should be pretty straightforward to swap engines and gain the EFI.

[Danny G]

If the Fitech sits where a carb goes then it is "throttle body". That means the fuel has to find its way down the loooooong manifold branches and can fall out of suspension. Instead port-injection like the factory did is a better solution. However, I don't know about the horror stories. I've not heard them, but then I've not been listening for them either.

And it should be pretty straightforward to swap engines and gain the EFI.

 

This is becoming a better solution every minute. I'm setting up a time to see the owner.