Oz EconolineF100 Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Hi guys has anyone got or shed any light on to where I may find a bracket from. I'm trying to convert from the 300 6 over to the 351 Windsor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Darin - I'll look tomorrow as I might have one. But it looks like that is part number D8AZ 38732-A. So that means you should be able to find it in a '78 or '79 truck as well as any 1982 or later truck with a Windsor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oz EconolineF100 Posted October 19, 2019 Author Share Posted October 19, 2019 Darin - I'll look tomorrow as I might have one. But it looks like that is part number D8AZ 38732-A. So that means you should be able to find it in a '78 or '79 truck as well as any 1982 or later truck with a Windsor. Thanks Gary do you know if the 302 bracket is the same as the 351 brackets with the engine being that little bit wider in the V? I have tried the Clevland bracket that i have over here and they don't fit either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rembrant Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Thanks Gary do you know if the 302 bracket is the same as the 351 brackets with the engine being that little bit wider in the V? I have tried the Clevland bracket that i have over here and they don't fit either. Are you referring to the 3C511 bracket in the picture below? I believe it is different between the 351w and the 302. As far as I know, the cast aluminum 3A372 bracket is the same on all of them (and a zillion other Fords), but that steel bracket varies. Gary will correct me if I'm wrong. Here's a picture of my 302. You can see that the steel plate on mine wouldn't work on a 351w when the bolt hole in the head moves up by 1/2". (At least I don't think it would). Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rembrant Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Thanks Gary do you know if the 302 bracket is the same as the 351 brackets with the engine being that little bit wider in the V? I have tried the Clevland bracket that i have over here and they don't fit either. Are you referring to the 3C511 bracket in the picture below? I believe it is different between the 351w and the 302. As far as I know, the cast aluminum 3A372 bracket is the same on all of them (and a zillion other Fords), but that steel bracket varies. Gary will correct me if I'm wrong. Here's a picture of my 302. You can see that the steel plate on mine wouldn't work on a 351w when the bolt hole in the head moves up by 1/2". (At least I don't think it would). Well, maybe the 302 and 351w brackets are the same?...This Ebay auction is showing as fitting both...not there are ever any mistakes on Ebay...lol. https://www.ebay.com/itm/1983-1984-1985-Ford-Bronco-F150-F250-Mercury-ORIG-302-351W-P-S-PUMP-BRACKET/162304682103?_trkparms=ispr%3D1&hash=item25ca1ce877:g:r5cAAOSw5cNYQMf4&enc=AQAEAAACMBPxNw%2BVj6nta7CKEs3N0qUGQ5CEr9S0Ewr9X7fX04pIF3wlNinFnzqHzMtToUSnLSoTFQQE25%2FDSKmzFdnJ2eHUDQaGTEjG7NhOv8wQN%2FtDbqOxsHFBzngdEw08SlQJZO6ZOBHkQloJTryPyOCXR%2B26mhSPWyp2GsPKJLMLLSxelaeStTuprAtRc07eHcNLLuvvh7%2BHlCfrLmfvQPfDSoBxNjyt%2BO5Yj54vaEQYOC%2F0wMhgg%2F3aYtB%2BJw%2FuFyWPcAIzLauB3FWqOHskEck5sRNwciIkzAipPRDJh%2B3AkWlB%2FqJoPjHwvaA5mQu%2BtgNbdhzOhEhniDVswG0JPvjLfr2vOluat5PZsciuBTi%2FSUCp7OnJPhVO1u3Mpne%2B8SJ3689UeibCJXxUtYr8lr%2B0t2hzan%2BETDKUArA302LOnfQHf7v9OoEBc0BKDsjjv0i53kdI%2FYuD97ooV3ZnWE1x9bwvkg5vjq90vf%2BtzmoyyyIZRhXZ8jesy9gPsfCYMu65FabhKgM2%2FgvGO9kvu%2FrQm6V%2BLEglQVmw4OFux2zl2zW6w2Cd99CMUXCfMjkA7uypT7dGWktpP3e816OPbWI2Ju7lN0YHu2RcSzRDsbq%2FhluE3v8yVAmTEYlDs1l38EOEf7ezptH2xBkWh%2BxW4P%2FyzuwZljszV2wZYCMz127fIH9WwXDfE8W5rgMC1t99gsMqkaE50%2Bi%2BxHBgKcbU9hjXBt3SKU0qRn0c28Aza0a5u42s&checksum=1623046821037935ccecdc3f48d49843849afd91bad2&enc=AQAEAAACMBPxNw%2BVj6nta7CKEs3N0qUGQ5CEr9S0Ewr9X7fX04pIF3wlNinFnzqHzMtToUSnLSoTFQQE25%2FDSKmzFdnJ2eHUDQaGTEjG7NhOv8wQN%2FtDbqOxsHFBzngdEw08SlQJZO6ZOBHkQloJTryPyOCXR%2B26mhSPWyp2GsPKJLMLLSxelaeStTuprAtRc07eHcNLLuvvh7%2BHlCfrLmfvQPfDSoBxNjyt%2BO5Yj54vaEQYOC%2F0wMhgg%2F3aYtB%2BJw%2FuFyWPcAIzLauB3FWqOHskEck5sRNwciIkzAipPRDJh%2B3AkWlB%2FqJoPjHwvaA5mQu%2BtgNbdhzOhEhniDVswG0JPvjLfr2vOluat5PZsciuBTi%2FSUCp7OnJPhVO1u3Mpne%2B8SJ3689UeibCJXxUtYr8lr%2B0t2hzan%2BETDKUArA302LOnfQHf7v9OoEBc0BKDsjjv0i53kdI%2FYuD97ooV3ZnWE1x9bwvkg5vjq90vf%2BtzmoyyyIZRhXZ8jesy9gPsfCYMu65FabhKgM2%2FgvGO9kvu%2FrQm6V%2BLEglQVmw4OFux2zl2zW6w2Cd99CMUXCfMjkA7uypT7dGWktpP3e816OPbWI2Ju7lN0YHu2RcSzRDsbq%2FhluE3v8yVAmTEYlDs1l38EOEf7ezptH2xBkWh%2BxW4P%2FyzuwZljszV2wZYCMz127fIH9WwXDfE8W5rgMC1t99gsMqkaE50%2Bi%2BxHBgKcbU9hjXBt3SKU0qRn0c28Aza0a5u42s&checksum=1623046821037935ccecdc3f48d49843849afd91bad2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
85lebaront2 Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Well, maybe the 302 and 351w brackets are the same?...This Ebay auction is showing as fitting both...not there are ever any mistakes on Ebay...lol. https://www.ebay.com/itm/1983-1984-1985-Ford-Bronco-F150-F250-Mercury-ORIG-302-351W-P-S-PUMP-BRACKET/162304682103?_trkparms=ispr%3D1&hash=item25ca1ce877:g:r5cAAOSw5cNYQMf4&enc=AQAEAAACMBPxNw%2BVj6nta7CKEs3N0qUGQ5CEr9S0Ewr9X7fX04pIF3wlNinFnzqHzMtToUSnLSoTFQQE25%2FDSKmzFdnJ2eHUDQaGTEjG7NhOv8wQN%2FtDbqOxsHFBzngdEw08SlQJZO6ZOBHkQloJTryPyOCXR%2B26mhSPWyp2GsPKJLMLLSxelaeStTuprAtRc07eHcNLLuvvh7%2BHlCfrLmfvQPfDSoBxNjyt%2BO5Yj54vaEQYOC%2F0wMhgg%2F3aYtB%2BJw%2FuFyWPcAIzLauB3FWqOHskEck5sRNwciIkzAipPRDJh%2B3AkWlB%2FqJoPjHwvaA5mQu%2BtgNbdhzOhEhniDVswG0JPvjLfr2vOluat5PZsciuBTi%2FSUCp7OnJPhVO1u3Mpne%2B8SJ3689UeibCJXxUtYr8lr%2B0t2hzan%2BETDKUArA302LOnfQHf7v9OoEBc0BKDsjjv0i53kdI%2FYuD97ooV3ZnWE1x9bwvkg5vjq90vf%2BtzmoyyyIZRhXZ8jesy9gPsfCYMu65FabhKgM2%2FgvGO9kvu%2FrQm6V%2BLEglQVmw4OFux2zl2zW6w2Cd99CMUXCfMjkA7uypT7dGWktpP3e816OPbWI2Ju7lN0YHu2RcSzRDsbq%2FhluE3v8yVAmTEYlDs1l38EOEf7ezptH2xBkWh%2BxW4P%2FyzuwZljszV2wZYCMz127fIH9WwXDfE8W5rgMC1t99gsMqkaE50%2Bi%2BxHBgKcbU9hjXBt3SKU0qRn0c28Aza0a5u42s&checksum=1623046821037935ccecdc3f48d49843849afd91bad2&enc=AQAEAAACMBPxNw%2BVj6nta7CKEs3N0qUGQ5CEr9S0Ewr9X7fX04pIF3wlNinFnzqHzMtToUSnLSoTFQQE25%2FDSKmzFdnJ2eHUDQaGTEjG7NhOv8wQN%2FtDbqOxsHFBzngdEw08SlQJZO6ZOBHkQloJTryPyOCXR%2B26mhSPWyp2GsPKJLMLLSxelaeStTuprAtRc07eHcNLLuvvh7%2BHlCfrLmfvQPfDSoBxNjyt%2BO5Yj54vaEQYOC%2F0wMhgg%2F3aYtB%2BJw%2FuFyWPcAIzLauB3FWqOHskEck5sRNwciIkzAipPRDJh%2B3AkWlB%2FqJoPjHwvaA5mQu%2BtgNbdhzOhEhniDVswG0JPvjLfr2vOluat5PZsciuBTi%2FSUCp7OnJPhVO1u3Mpne%2B8SJ3689UeibCJXxUtYr8lr%2B0t2hzan%2BETDKUArA302LOnfQHf7v9OoEBc0BKDsjjv0i53kdI%2FYuD97ooV3ZnWE1x9bwvkg5vjq90vf%2BtzmoyyyIZRhXZ8jesy9gPsfCYMu65FabhKgM2%2FgvGO9kvu%2FrQm6V%2BLEglQVmw4OFux2zl2zW6w2Cd99CMUXCfMjkA7uypT7dGWktpP3e816OPbWI2Ju7lN0YHu2RcSzRDsbq%2FhluE3v8yVAmTEYlDs1l38EOEf7ezptH2xBkWh%2BxW4P%2FyzuwZljszV2wZYCMz127fIH9WwXDfE8W5rgMC1t99gsMqkaE50%2Bi%2BxHBgKcbU9hjXBt3SKU0qRn0c28Aza0a5u42s&checksum=1623046821037935ccecdc3f48d49843849afd91bad2 Actually a number of the mounting brackets were common to 302 and 351W engines, this was done by using an aluminum adapter on the front of the heads, it was turned short end up on a 302 and long end up on a 351W and the accessory (PS pump or alternator) long mounting bolt went into it rather than the actual holes in the heads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Thanks Gary do you know if the 302 bracket is the same as the 351 brackets with the engine being that little bit wider in the V? I have tried the Clevland bracket that i have over here and they don't fit either. Are you referring to the 3C511 bracket in the picture below? I believe it is different between the 351w and the 302. As far as I know, the cast aluminum 3A372 bracket is the same on all of them (and a zillion other Fords), but that steel bracket varies. Gary will correct me if I'm wrong. Here's a picture of my 302. You can see that the steel plate on mine wouldn't work on a 351w when the bolt hole in the head moves up by 1/2". (At least I don't think it would). Cory - I think you are right. 3C511 is different between 302 and 351W. In the snippet below you can see that the little Windsors, the 255 and 302, take E2BZ 3C511-A. And the "B" indicates it came from a car not a truck. But the 351W takes E4TZ 3C511-C. So the question to Darin is which bracket, or brackets, do you need? Both? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Cory - I think you are right. 3C511 is different between 302 and 351W. In the snippet below you can see that the little Windsors, the 255 and 302, take E2BZ 3C511-A. And the "B" indicates it came from a car not a truck. But the 351W takes E4TZ 3C511-C. So the question to Darin is which bracket, or brackets, do you need? Both? Oh, two other things. First, I won't have a 302 bracket. Second, here's another illustration of the parts of which we type: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oz EconolineF100 Posted October 20, 2019 Author Share Posted October 20, 2019 Oh, two other things. First, I won't have a 302 bracket. Second, here's another illustration of the parts of which we type: Thanks Guys, I have the alloy bracket that the pump mounts to from the 300 six (like the plastic type Cory's has). We use that alloy bracket on Clevelands over here as well. I need the bracket that goes from the water pump to the alloy pump bracket. So is that a 3C511? and it looks like it uses a different bracket to mount to the pump (3A732). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 Thanks Guys, I have the alloy bracket that the pump mounts to from the 300 six (like the plastic type Cory's has). We use that alloy bracket on Clevelands over here as well. I need the bracket that goes from the water pump to the alloy pump bracket. So is that a 3C511? and it looks like it uses a different bracket to mount to the pump (3A732). Yes, you need 3C511. I checked today and thought I'd found one, but then I decoded the ID # on it and it appears to be for a 351M or 400. But by the time I figured that out the day was over. I'll go back up tomorrow or Monday and look again. I really think I have one for a 351W. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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