money pit 69 Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 Ok I'm fighting the wiring conversion form 87 to 97 quite a difference. I read I just study wiring diagrams from both years and I gain very little head way. (not whining just frustrated) I had help with the grounds the other day which helped. 97 BLK and BLK/WHT are both grounds. I a very common sense person so right now I'm thinking when I look at the different wires from the PDB fuse box 97 there are so many things I won't be using ; ABS, air bags, things like power seats, power widows will be powered by the I/F of the 87 so those can all come out of the 97 PDB underhood. Let's start here with this question. THX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 The short answer to your question is "yes". But, first you have to decide if you are going to stay with the '87 power wiring or go to the later '97 wiring. In other words, are you using the '87 fuse box or the '97 power distribution box? I ask because there may be some things in the PDB that you'll need. For instance, my implementation of a '96 EEC-V system requires several of the relays that are in the PDB. And if you are going with the full EEC-V system I think you'll have to have several of those functions as well. So, before we get further, please tell us more of your plans. You mentioned them in the introduction thread, but we need the details here. And, by the way, Bill/85lebaront2 has already done this on Darth and I'm in the midst of it on Big Blue. But we put/are putting EEC-V into a Bullnose rather than a Bricknose, so there will be some differences. Anyway, over to you. Please detail your plans: Engine; fuel system; electrical system; etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
85lebaront2 Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 The short answer to your question is "yes". But, first you have to decide if you are going to stay with the '87 power wiring or go to the later '97 wiring. In other words, are you using the '87 fuse box or the '97 power distribution box? I ask because there may be some things in the PDB that you'll need. For instance, my implementation of a '96 EEC-V system requires several of the relays that are in the PDB. And if you are going with the full EEC-V system I think you'll have to have several of those functions as well. So, before we get further, please tell us more of your plans. You mentioned them in the introduction thread, but we need the details here. And, by the way, Bill/85lebaront2 has already done this on Darth and I'm in the midst of it on Big Blue. But we put/are putting EEC-V into a Bullnose rather than a Bricknose, so there will be some differences. Anyway, over to you. Please detail your plans: Engine; fuel system; electrical system; etc. My feeling from what he says is a 4.0L V6 into what I would think is a Mazda B2? maybe B2000? If it is and had the Mazda 2.0L it is nothing like the old German 2.0L in the original Pinto. Those were interesting, Kent (British) 1.6L or optional Cologne (German) 2.0L. The Kent 1.6L was a pushrod crossflow head engine and the Cologne 2.0L was an OHC crossflow head engine, FWIW, the 2.3L is somewhat based on the Cologne engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
money pit 69 Posted August 11, 2019 Author Share Posted August 11, 2019 The short answer to your question is "yes". But, first you have to decide if you are going to stay with the '87 power wiring or go to the later '97 wiring. In other words, are you using the '87 fuse box or the '97 power distribution box? I ask because there may be some things in the PDB that you'll need. For instance, my implementation of a '96 EEC-V system requires several of the relays that are in the PDB. And if you are going with the full EEC-V system I think you'll have to have several of those functions as well. So, before we get further, please tell us more of your plans. You mentioned them in the introduction thread, but we need the details here. And, by the way, Bill/85lebaront2 has already done this on Darth and I'm in the midst of it on Big Blue. But we put/are putting EEC-V into a Bullnose rather than a Bricknose, so there will be some differences. Anyway, over to you. Please detail your plans: Engine; fuel system; electrical system; etc. Hi Gary, yes I will post my project and write up with pictures. Now what Bullnose should I start this in project or just continue where I'm posting now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salans7 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 My feeling from what he says is a 4.0L V6 into what I would think is a Mazda B2? maybe B2000? I'm thinking Bronco II, and his donor is a 97 Explorer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
85lebaront2 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 My feeling from what he says is a 4.0L V6 into what I would think is a Mazda B2? maybe B2000? I'm thinking Bronco II, and his donor is a 97 Explorer. You might be right on that, I just never heard it as B2 (one of our companies former owners builds B2s) the one that is just a giant wing. I hope he's not using the OHC one, but if he is, he would be ahead of the game to replace all 3 timing chains (and I thought a Lotus 1600 or Toyota 8RC had weird timing chain systems). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Hi Gary, yes I will post my project and write up with pictures. Now what Bullnose should I start this in project or just continue where I'm posting now? Continue posting on this thread. That'll elicit the most help. But make sure you help us understand all the bits and pieces about your project. And expect us to ask questions. But I'm confident we can get you going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
money pit 69 Posted August 12, 2019 Author Share Posted August 12, 2019 Ok I will stay in this post. My project is as follows: my present project 1987 Ford Bronco 2, Eddie Bauer edition 4 wheel drive.When I bought it had the 2.9l removed and the 4.0l engine and transmission complete from a 1997 Ford Ranger 4 wheel drive installed in the Bronco. I have left the Bronco2 dash complete and the Bronco headlight wire harness intact. I was playing around yesterday I have headlights, turn signals and most of the electric things inside the cab working. So I will leave all of that on the Bronco's interior fuse panel. The under hood PDB box from the 97 Ranger which I have transplanted to the Bronco I will use to run the engine mostly. a 1997 Ranger 4.0l EFI engine and transmission together. The Ranger 4.0l engine harness is complete to most all of the sensors is complete and hooked up.The PCM is mounted and hooked up to the connector. The starter is hooked to the starter relay and battery. I installed I have hooked up as many grounds as I can identify, a temp battery for testing. Now I struggle with the underhood conversion wiring. A real challenge for a non wiring expert. I have reached out all over for help and get bits and pieces from time to time that are helpful. I was trying to add pictures but it wold not let me. From time to time I get so burnt out at starring at those wires I jump to little things like interior problems like electric windows not working right, door locks only locking not opening and such. Thx David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
85lebaront2 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Ok I will stay in this post. My project is as follows: my present project 1987 Ford Bronco 2, Eddie Bauer edition 4 wheel drive.When I bought it had the 2.9l removed and the 4.0l engine and transmission complete from a 1997 Ford Ranger 4 wheel drive installed in the Bronco. I have left the Bronco2 dash complete and the Bronco headlight wire harness intact. I was playing around yesterday I have headlights, turn signals and most of the electric things inside the cab working. So I will leave all of that on the Bronco's interior fuse panel. The under hood PDB box from the 97 Ranger which I have transplanted to the Bronco I will use to run the engine mostly. a 1997 Ranger 4.0l EFI engine and transmission together. The Ranger 4.0l engine harness is complete to most all of the sensors is complete and hooked up.The PCM is mounted and hooked up to the connector. The starter is hooked to the starter relay and battery. I installed I have hooked up as many grounds as I can identify, a temp battery for testing. Now I struggle with the underhood conversion wiring. A real challenge for a non wiring expert. I have reached out all over for help and get bits and pieces from time to time that are helpful. I was trying to add pictures but it wold not let me. From time to time I get so burnt out at starring at those wires I jump to little things like interior problems like electric windows not working right, door locks only locking not opening and such. Thx David Pictures need to be less than 500 mb in size so you will need some way of resizing them. Connectors, if you need some, first get an on-line version of the Motorcraft wiring pigtail catalog. I have it, also lots of salvaged connectors and part numbers for aftermarket sources for the pins/sockets for them. One very important item, sensor string voltage is very low (5 volts) so any extra resistance will give you screwy results. I soldered every connection, and if I spliced a wire I used heat shrink over the splice. Good luck with it! If I can help (from a distance) let me know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 Ok I will stay in this post. My project is as follows: my present project 1987 Ford Bronco 2, Eddie Bauer edition 4 wheel drive.When I bought it had the 2.9l removed and the 4.0l engine and transmission complete from a 1997 Ford Ranger 4 wheel drive installed in the Bronco. I have left the Bronco2 dash complete and the Bronco headlight wire harness intact. I was playing around yesterday I have headlights, turn signals and most of the electric things inside the cab working. So I will leave all of that on the Bronco's interior fuse panel. The under hood PDB box from the 97 Ranger which I have transplanted to the Bronco I will use to run the engine mostly. a 1997 Ranger 4.0l EFI engine and transmission together. The Ranger 4.0l engine harness is complete to most all of the sensors is complete and hooked up.The PCM is mounted and hooked up to the connector. The starter is hooked to the starter relay and battery. I installed I have hooked up as many grounds as I can identify, a temp battery for testing. Now I struggle with the underhood conversion wiring. A real challenge for a non wiring expert. I have reached out all over for help and get bits and pieces from time to time that are helpful. I was trying to add pictures but it wold not let me. From time to time I get so burnt out at starring at those wires I jump to little things like interior problems like electric windows not working right, door locks only locking not opening and such. Thx David On the pictures, there are how-to instructions on the Bullnose Forum/Forum FAQ's page. And pictures would help us help you. On the "underhood conversion wiring", do you have a game plan? In other words, have you taken the wiring diagram for the 97's power distribution box and mapped out where each of the needed wires will go? To me that's the very first step. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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