kramttocs Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 Adding these (and power windows) to Camano. Cleaned them up and had a couple questions. I was planning on using stainless steel Allen button head bolts to mount them vs the rivet. Curious what everyone else uses. Other question being: why do they swivel? I didn't really play around with them as I was pulling them at the jy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 Scott - I'm not familiar with those. What part are they from this drawing? Or, is it basically the thing shown on the actuator shown here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kramttocs Posted August 3, 2019 Author Share Posted August 3, 2019 Scott - I'm not familiar with those. What part are they from this drawing? Or, is it basically the thing shown on the actuator shown here? You got it - they are the part on the actuator there. The actuator snaps onto them and they themselves are riveted to the door under the latch. I haven't looked - new ones may come with although not sure why they would since they are removable. The factory rivet is a weird split out thing you can see in the uncoated one. Think I answered the swivel part though. I'd assumed the rod had enough play to install in the door latch assembly even after the actuator is mounted but it feels pretty firm. So would make sense that you mount it askew and then rotate it into the hole in the retainer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve83 Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 ...bolts to mount them vs the rivet. Curious what everyone else uses.https://supermotors.net/getfile/687494/thumbnail/lkmtrs.jpgwhy do they swivel?Because it's quicker, easier, cheaper to mount them with 1 fastener than with several. And so the operating rod can be removed from the latch later for service. On the assembly line, the lock motor is attached to the latch, and they're installed together. The last thing to go in is the common 1/4" pop rivet to hold the lock motor to the door skin. In later vehicles, the motor's rod cannot be disengaged from the latch while both are attached to the door skin - it's a Z-bend instead of an L. But if you want to use the later motors, just cut that last leg off so it can be removed like the original. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kramttocs Posted August 3, 2019 Author Share Posted August 3, 2019 ...bolts to mount them vs the rivet. Curious what everyone else uses.https://supermotors.net/getfile/687494/thumbnail/lkmtrs.jpgwhy do they swivel?Because it's quicker, easier, cheaper to mount them with 1 fastener than with several. And so the operating rod can be removed from the latch later for service. On the assembly line, the lock motor is attached to the latch, and they're installed together. The last thing to go in is the common 1/4" pop rivet to hold the lock motor to the door skin. In later vehicles, the motor's rod cannot be disengaged from the latch while both are attached to the door skin - it's a Z-bend instead of an L. But if you want to use the later motors, just cut that last leg off so it can be removed like the original. Definitely not complaining with how they designed it but seems like the quickest, easiest, and cheapest for ford would be to have done away with the swivel. If the rivet is the last thing installed then no need for the swivel. And removal/reinstall of the rivet could just be part of the maintenance to get it out. Again, better for us that the swivel is there on the early models for sure, just saying... I didn't realize a nut on the outside of the door would clear so good to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
85lebaront2 Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 Definitely not complaining with how they designed it but seems like the quickest, easiest, and cheapest for ford would be to have done away with the swivel. If the rivet is the last thing installed then no need for the swivel. And removal/reinstall of the rivet could just be part of the maintenance to get it out. Again, better for us that the swivel is there on the early models for sure, just saying... I didn't realize a nut on the outside of the door would clear so good to know. I have attached them with M6X1.0 bolts and what they call "prevailing torque" nuts (the ones that look like they were stepped on). I have had no problems with mounting them that way Be sure you get the wiring and switches too. Driver's side: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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