T Doorly Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 First thing I replaced was the Starter switch down on the column. because it would cut out and die on me if the key was turned back a little. I found out the old one maybe wasn't bad and just needed to be adjusted with the elongated screw holes. Doing that I messed up the drive indicator cable . The key cylinder will have to be replaced because I had a hard time getting the key in it this morning. So that will have to be fixed now. Next I can't lock or unlock the doors with my key. The lock mechanism is very stiff and power locks don't even work. Idle is up and down. It has a funny whining sound coming from under the cab.Transmission? Under the hood I hear a snapping sound coming from the right end plug in relay? that is under the black plastic box. The visors are hanging loose and I'm gonna replace them with ones from a 89. If anyone has had the same problems with they're trucks and have a fix let me know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
85lebaront2 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 I could recommend a good exorcist. Whining is probably the high pressure fuel pump, it is directly under the cab. Stiff locks, and problem with the ignition switch, probably get a replacement set of three, door lock and ignition lock. Snapping sound, and idle up and down may be related, 1985.5 and 1986 EFI systems are extremely sensitive to idle speed setting, it is a throttle position voltage issue most likely. The TPS voltage has to be at 1.0 V +/- .05 V, at roughly 1.1 V the EGR system starts to open, and the solenoid valves will chatter like magpies. Visors, any 1987 through 1997 set will work, and the cab inner roof area is pre-indented for the pin and screw of the later visors. Shift indicator cable may have to be a junkyard item. The indicator assembly comes out of the cluster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Those aren't "gremlins", they are layers of the onion. These trucks are just big onions, and we peel and cry, peel and cry. But pretty soon we have a Bloomin' Onion! Seriously though, let's take a few of them one at a time: First thing I replaced was the Starter switch down on the column. because it would cut out and die on me if the key was turned back a little. I found out the old one maybe wasn't bad and just needed to be adjusted with the elongated screw holes. Instructions for adjusting the ignition switch are here: Electrical/Ignition on the Ignition Switch tab. Doing that I messed up the drive indicator cable. Is it broken? If not, it can be adjusted. The key cylinder will have to be replaced because I had a hard time getting the key in it this morning. So that will have to be fixed now. It may be just gummed up. You can shoot it full of WD40 and gently wiggle the key back and forth to see if it will move. And if it won't move then you might take the ignition switch off and see if there is something jammed down there. And, with the key in there's a little hole on the lock toward the bottom for removing the lock/tumbler. If I remember correctly you stick something like a paper clip in there to release it. Next I can't lock or unlock the doors with my key. The lock mechanism is very stiff and power locks don't even work. I have a similar problem on the passenger's side. David/1986F150Six told me it is because the linkage is bent. But I'm not sure where the bend is. Perhaps he'll chime in tomorrow morning? Idle is up and down. It has a funny whining sound coming from under the cab.Transmission? Under the hood I hear a snapping sound coming from the right end plug in relay? that is under the black plastic box. We really don't know what the truck is. You need a signature that tells us the year, the engine, and the transmission so we don't have to guess. The visors are hanging loose and I'm gonna replace them with ones from a 89. That's the right thing to do. But get the clips for the inside end. And, don't cut off the locating tab as someone on FB suggested. Figure out where they should go and drill the right holes. Oh, and they sit at a slight angle, not straight across. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve83 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 The more we know about your truck, the more-likely we can help you get it where you want it to be. Click this thumbnail & read the whole caption: https://supermotors.net/getfile/72354/thumbnail/doorsticker.jpg Then edit ALL its details into your signature here so we can review them with each reply. Your current & future questions can involve every aspect of the truck's build & condition, so don't leave anything out....the old one maybe wasn't bad...Before replacing any part NOT on the maintenance schedule, you should diagnose the problem BEFORE disturbing anything on the truck or buying the replacement. This diagram's caption contains the logic table for the ignition switch: https://supermotors.net/getfile/831772/thumbnail/igswlogic.jpg But there was also a recall on the early switches, so it's probably good you changed it (as long as you got a high-quality replacement). https://supermotors.net/getfile/747712/thumbnail/fsa95s28.jpgDoing that I messed up the drive indicator cable .Those are not available new anywhere, and very difficult (or impossible) to repair.The key cylinder will have to be replaced because I had a hard time getting the key in it this morning.Are you saying you want to replace it because it was difficult? Or are you implying it was so difficult that you damaged it? This diagram shows the 4 steering columns for these trucks; the NEXT one (in this photo album) shows the most-common problem with them: https://supermotors.net/getfile/894815/thumbnail/columnsexploded.jpgNext I can't lock or unlock the doors with my key. The lock mechanism is very stiff...Have you ever cleaned or lubed them according to the maintenance schedule? What about the door latches?...power locks don't even work.That's typical of the early lock motors, shown here: https://supermotors.net/getfile/1087001/thumbnail/lockmotorearly.jpg Fortunately, they can be replaced (with some drilling & wire-splicing) by the later motors. https://supermotors.net/getfile/687494/thumbnail/lkmtrs.jpg The door latches have to come out for that, so it's a good excuse to soak them in kerosene, deodorized mineral spirits, or some other solvent, & then lube them while swapping the lock motors.Idle is up and down. It has a funny whining sound coming from under the cab.Transmission?We need to know the truck's maintenance history, so put that in your signature, too. The transmission isn't a common source for a whine, but try to pinpoint it. If you don't have a mechanic's stethoscope, use ~3' of garden hose. https://supermotors.net/getfile/998125/thumbnail/stethoscope.jpgUnder the hood I hear a snapping sound coming from the right end plug in relay? that is under the black plastic box.Post pics. There's a link in the caption of the first thumbnail that explains how.The visors are hanging loose and I'm gonna replace them with ones from a 89.Newer visors are the only fix, but they get loose, too. They just have support hooks that make their looseness less-obvious. I always add another support hook above the door so the visor doesn't swing around as I'm driving. https://supermotors.net/getfile/996221/thumbnail/42grab08.jpg...the cab inner roof area is pre-indented for the pin and screw of the later visors.Neither of mine were. But they're Broncos, and their roofs are different from Fs'.And, don't cut off the locating tab as someone on FB suggested. Figure out where they should go and drill the right holes.I grab an extra hook from the JY, cut its locating pin off, drill another hole straight through where that pin was, put the drilled hook on the installed visor, mark the hook's location on the sheet metal through the drilled hole, and then drill the hole for the intact hook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T Doorly Posted January 7, 2019 Author Share Posted January 7, 2019 I could recommend a good exorcist. Whining is probably the high pressure fuel pump, it is directly under the cab. Stiff locks, and problem with the ignition switch, probably get a replacement set of three, door lock and ignition lock. Snapping sound, and idle up and down may be related, 1985.5 and 1986 EFI systems are extremely sensitive to idle speed setting, it is a throttle position voltage issue most likely. The TPS voltage has to be at 1.0 V +/- .05 V, at roughly 1.1 V the EGR system starts to open, and the solenoid valves will chatter like magpies. Visors, any 1987 through 1997 set will work, and the cab inner roof area is pre-indented for the pin and screw of the later visors. Shift indicator cable may have to be a junkyard item. The indicator assembly comes out of the cluster. Thank you for all that great information. I knew being a part of this group would be very beneficial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T Doorly Posted January 7, 2019 Author Share Posted January 7, 2019 The more we know about your truck, the more-likely we can help you get it where you want it to be. Click this thumbnail & read the whole caption: https://supermotors.net/getfile/72354/thumbnail/doorsticker.jpg Then edit ALL its details into your signature here so we can review them with each reply. Your current & future questions can involve every aspect of the truck's build & condition, so don't leave anything out....the old one maybe wasn't bad...Before replacing any part NOT on the maintenance schedule, you should diagnose the problem BEFORE disturbing anything on the truck or buying the replacement. This diagram's caption contains the logic table for the ignition switch: https://supermotors.net/getfile/831772/thumbnail/igswlogic.jpg But there was also a recall on the early switches, so it's probably good you changed it (as long as you got a high-quality replacement). https://supermotors.net/getfile/747712/thumbnail/fsa95s28.jpgDoing that I messed up the drive indicator cable .Those are not available new anywhere, and very difficult (or impossible) to repair.The key cylinder will have to be replaced because I had a hard time getting the key in it this morning.Are you saying you want to replace it because it was difficult? Or are you implying it was so difficult that you damaged it? This diagram shows the 4 steering columns for these trucks; the NEXT one (in this photo album) shows the most-common problem with them: https://supermotors.net/getfile/894815/thumbnail/columnsexploded.jpgNext I can't lock or unlock the doors with my key. The lock mechanism is very stiff...Have you ever cleaned or lubed them according to the maintenance schedule? What about the door latches?...power locks don't even work.That's typical of the early lock motors, shown here: https://supermotors.net/getfile/1087001/thumbnail/lockmotorearly.jpg Fortunately, they can be replaced (with some drilling & wire-splicing) by the later motors. https://supermotors.net/getfile/687494/thumbnail/lkmtrs.jpg The door latches have to come out for that, so it's a good excuse to soak them in kerosene, deodorized mineral spirits, or some other solvent, & then lube them while swapping the lock motors.Idle is up and down. It has a funny whining sound coming from under the cab.Transmission?We need to know the truck's maintenance history, so put that in your signature, too. The transmission isn't a common source for a whine, but try to pinpoint it. If you don't have a mechanic's stethoscope, use ~3' of garden hose. https://supermotors.net/getfile/998125/thumbnail/stethoscope.jpgUnder the hood I hear a snapping sound coming from the right end plug in relay? that is under the black plastic box.Post pics. There's a link in the caption of the first thumbnail that explains how.The visors are hanging loose and I'm gonna replace them with ones from a 89.Newer visors are the only fix, but they get loose, too. They just have support hooks that make their looseness less-obvious. I always add another support hook above the door so the visor doesn't swing around as I'm driving. https://supermotors.net/getfile/996221/thumbnail/42grab08.jpg...the cab inner roof area is pre-indented for the pin and screw of the later visors.Neither of mine were. But they're Broncos, and their roofs are different from Fs'.And, don't cut off the locating tab as someone on FB suggested. Figure out where they should go and drill the right holes.I grab an extra hook from the JY, cut its locating pin off, drill another hole straight through where that pin was, put the drilled hook on the installed visor, mark the hook's location on the sheet metal through the drilled hole, and then drill the hole for the intact hook. Wow, You guys are seriously polite and very helpful Group of Gentleman. I will get the tag numbers to you guys. I want to keep this truck and getting running perfect. I think it overwelmed the guy I bought it from. I don't give up that easy. I am surprised at how different it is from my other F150s 89, 90, and 94. I think the quality on Bullnose Fords is better than later years on certain things. This is my first one so I do appreciate the help. Thank You 85 Lebaron, Gary L., and Steve 83. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
85lebaront2 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Wow, You guys are seriously polite and very helpful Group of Gentleman. I will get the tag numbers to you guys. I want to keep this truck and getting running perfect. I think it overwelmed the guy I bought it from. I don't give up that easy. I am surprised at how different it is from my other F150s 89, 90, and 94. I think the quality on Bullnose Fords is better than later years on certain things. This is my first one so I do appreciate the help. Thank You 85 Lebaron, Gary L., and Steve 83. You are welcome, I will try to get you a picture of the double visors with lighted vanity mirrors I installed in Darth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T Doorly Posted January 7, 2019 Author Share Posted January 7, 2019 I could recommend a good exorcist. Whining is probably the high pressure fuel pump, it is directly under the cab. Stiff locks, and problem with the ignition switch, probably get a replacement set of three, door lock and ignition lock. Snapping sound, and idle up and down may be related, 1985.5 and 1986 EFI systems are extremely sensitive to idle speed setting, it is a throttle position voltage issue most likely. The TPS voltage has to be at 1.0 V +/- .05 V, at roughly 1.1 V the EGR system starts to open, and the solenoid valves will chatter like magpies. Visors, any 1987 through 1997 set will work, and the cab inner roof area is pre-indented for the pin and screw of the later visors. Shift indicator cable may have to be a junkyard item. The indicator assembly comes out of the cluster. Are any of you guys located in east centeral PA.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Wow, You guys are seriously polite and very helpful Group of Gentleman. I will get the tag numbers to you guys. I want to keep this truck and getting running perfect. I think it overwelmed the guy I bought it from. I don't give up that easy. I am surprised at how different it is from my other F150s 89, 90, and 94. I think the quality on Bullnose Fords is better than later years on certain things. This is my first one so I do appreciate the help. Thank You 85 Lebaron, Gary L., and Steve 83. You are welcome. We strive to be "gentlemen" and treat everyone politely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Are any of you guys located in east centeral PA.? Oops, I missed that. We have a member's map (Bullnose Forum/Member's Map), but I don't see anyone in east central PA. However, not nearly everyone is on the map. So, perhaps someone will respond that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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