art scott Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Just checking things out. Finally found Gary as I did not know that he had started this site as I am mostly in the 48/56 ford site on fte. Anyway I had a question for Gary and I think that I am getting it answered not to my liking but answered all the same. I have a 55 F-100 and am installing IFS in it and wanting to keep my 400 ford and am trying to find a oil pan with a double pan rear sump fox body style . I have been told that he 351m/400 f-250 4x4 pan is like what I need but that their is still not enough clearance for the rack and pinion . I have been directed to various sites that sell mfg pans at a healthy price I just might have to do that. Gary told me to sign up on here and that some of the old fte guys are here so that is a good thing. I always have some kind of 400 question . Hope all had a good Thanks Giving and all have a good Christmas. Art Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gary Lewis Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Art! Glad you found us! The 1980-82 part # for a 351M/400 pan is EOTZ 6675-C for any truck. But the 1970-79 master parts catalog numbers for oil pans for the 351M & 400 are shown below. So, the earlier trucks used a different pan than the Bullnose ones, and there was a different pan for a 2wd truck than a 4wd truck in the 1977-79 years. So, do you know which one you need? I don't know what the differences are. I think I have a pan up in the attic of the shop off an earlier 400, but do not know what it is off of. Do you know a way of telling? Or, might measurements of the height of the front sump tell you if it'll fit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
art scott Posted December 6, 2018 Author Share Posted December 6, 2018 Art! Glad you found us! The 1980-82 part # for a 351M/400 pan is EOTZ 6675-C for any truck. But the 1970-79 master parts catalog numbers for oil pans for the 351M & 400 are shown below. So, the earlier trucks used a different pan than the Bullnose ones, and there was a different pan for a 2wd truck than a 4wd truck in the 1977-79 years. So, do you know which one you need? I don't know what the differences are. I think I have a pan up in the attic of the shop off an earlier 400, but do not know what it is off of. Do you know a way of telling? Or, might measurements of the height of the front sump tell you if it'll fit? No Gary I do not but can send you a picture once I get used to the the format . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 No Gary I do not but can send you a picture once I get used to the the format . Art - Here are some pics of what I have. And, to post pics here, place your cursor where you want them, click the Insert Image button, click Chose File and navigate to the file, chose it and click Open, and then decide how much Resizing you want/need. If the file is less than 1.0 Mb you can choose None. But if it is greater than a meg you'll have to choose another option. The pics below are all over 1 Mb so I chose Big Size. And, once you've selected the appropriate Resizing you click Insert Image and the system will put the appropriate code in your post. But you can see how it looks before posting by hitting Preview Message. Anyway, here's Dad's 1981 engine. The best I can measure without picking the engine up is that the rear sump is 9" deep and the front sump is 7" deep. And here's the earlier pan, which is stamped D7TE 6675-BB, as shown in the bottom pic. So, it is the 1977-79 version, and probably the 4wd version as Ford usually added another character to the first suffix. In other words, I think it is likely that this is D7TZ 6675-B, which would be the 4wd version. And, the rear sump is 9 1/4" deep, and the front sump is 6 1/2" deep - both from the top of the pan rail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford F834 Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 400 in a ‘55? Cool!!! 😎 I hope you share your build with us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 400 in a ‘55? Cool!!! 😎 I hope you share your build with us! Art - I told you the folks would be interested. Bring on the build! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMI Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 From what I have seen, the "rear" sump, is more of a "mid" sump. Not a real rear sump like many other oil pans. Same pick up tube, but two different pan styles from the way it looks. The oil pan that has the more pronounced mid sump, and I think Gary said it is the earlier of the rear sumps, the back of the pan is clearance for the exhaust to cross over. Which is looks like they changed later. We have had Kevko Oil pan make all our pans for us. A 351M/400 uses the same pan as a Cleveland, so that may also help in looking for the correct pan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 From what I have seen, the "rear" sump, is more of a "mid" sump. Not a real rear sump like many other oil pans. Same pick up tube, but two different pan styles from the way it looks. The oil pan that has the more pronounced mid sump, and I think Gary said it is the earlier of the rear sumps, the back of the pan is clearance for the exhaust to cross over. Which is looks like they changed later. We have had Kevko Oil pan make all our pans for us. A 351M/400 uses the same pan as a Cleveland, so that may also help in looking for the correct pan. Thanks, Tim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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