Gary Lewis

Yes, but you said that one valve you tried did allow you to bleed the right rear wheel. Do you still have that valve?

I'm confused. Were you able to bleed the right rear with one of the valves? If so, brake fluid has to have been coming out of that valve then. Do you still have that valve? If so, put it back on as it is good. Then we can troubleshoot why the driver's side wouldn't bleed.

Well, swell. I did add the General Brake Service file to Weebly and embedded it on the Brakes page. And then I told Freefind to index the site. It is now done and Freefind does find the phrase listed above. HOWEVER, it actually finds the file itself tucked away in the directory here: www.garysgaragemahal.com/files/theme/GeneralBrakeService.pdf. But it was supposed to find it on the page at Documentation/Driveline/Brakes, which it hasn't done. Given that, I went back to the search on the C6 and now I realize it is doing the same - finding the file in the directory (www.garysgaragemahal.com/files/theme/FordC6RebuildProcedures.pdf) rather than on the page. Close, but no cigar. The issue is that while the user can find the document, s/he doesn't really know where they are and has no way of getting truly into the website. They are just viewing a seemingly random document found on the interweb. Yes, it says it is on garysgaragemahal, but that only shows in the URL, not on the page. I'm afraid the same thing will be true of Google. In fact, the best case is that they just find it on the page and not as a separate file. If that's the case then I think there's a way to tell them to ignore the file itself. But the worst case is that they find just the file and not the page, which is what Freefind has done. One question becomes if the problem of finding the page has to do with the fact that I have the file embedded on a tab, as I do in many if not most of the cases. Some of my reading suggests that Google won't find it. So, more testing is due.....

Yup, I second "Luk". Shaun - As you know so well, the Ranger emblems weren't made that long so aren't plentiful. But that was a good buy.

I agree. For the same reasons that the prop.valve can't cause a L/R bias, neither can the frame tube or rear axle hose. The fault MUST be between the splitter block on the axle vent, and the problem wheel cylinder. But if anyone actually needs one, I still have this one that worked fine when I switched to the later system: https://supermotors.net/getfile/932180/thumbnail/propvlv83.jpg Steve - I fully agree that the frame line nor the hose can cause a problem with one brake and not the other. But, I wondered if there was something odd going on that might have gotten overlooked since usually he seems to be unable to bleed either rear brake. Perhaps the time he could bleed the passenger's side was a fluke?

You're right. New emblems/name plates!

That's exactly why I asked. The proportioning valve cannot differentiate between the left and right rear brakes. There's one line that comes off the master cylinder and goes to the rear, where it splits at the axle vent on the axle, which you can see in the illustration below. So if you were able to bleed one rear brake and not the other it isn't the proportioning valve's fault. I'm going to guess that you may have a flattened brake line somewhere. Maybe along the frame or on the rear axle. Or, that the rubber hose that connects from the frame to the rear axle is bad. I've heard about them causing similar problems.

What doesn't work about them? I ask because I wonder if your problem is elsewhere.

And, we have partial success! The Freefind search widget that we have in the upper left corner of the forum pages now finds the phrase "On 6.9L diesel engine trucks equipped with a C-6 automatic transmission a Vacuum Regulator Valve", which is on the C6 page that has been re-homed to Weebly from OneDrive. But it doesn't find "The dual master cylinder contains a double hydraulic cylinder with two fluid", which is in the General Hydraulic Brake Service PDF that is still homed on OneDrive. I'll move it to Weebly today and search again tomorrow to prove this works - at least as far as Freefind is concerned. Freefind crawls and indexes the site nightly, as opposed to Google which can take up to two weeks to get done even after you ask it nicely to re-crawl a page, which I did yesterday with the three listed above. You might ask why I'm reporting this, and the reason is two-fold. First, to keep track of what works and doesn't work. Second, because Chris/ckuske is due back tomorrow and will want to catch up on how/if his suggestion works - which it appears to do.

There were several of those valves, as shown on the page at Documentation/Driveline/Brakes and on the Proportioning Valve tab. The one you want should be the 1984 and later one for the F150.

Not a step-by-step, but at least a schematic of the way I intend to do it: Documentation/Electrical/3G Conversion and on the Ammeter & Voltmeter tab. Basically the voltmeter replaces the ammeter so will have battery voltage fed to it at all times via the red/orange wire. But it needs to only work with the key on or it will put a load on the battery. So I plan to use a relay in the dash some place that is pulled in with key-on power and once pulled in supplies a ground to the voltmeter via the yellow/light green wire.

That or there's water in the plug or something shorting it out. I believe that switch is normally open, so if the circuit closes for any other reason that light will come on. Yes, the switch is normally open, so water in it might do it. But it might also be stuck to one side, meaning the front or rear circuit. The FSM says to STAND on the brakes, HARD, to see if it'll recenter. Didn't work for me and I had to replace the valve/switch combo with a used one.

Well, his skills have certainly improved since he butchered Big Blue with a sawzall. I'll give him that.

I have the '84 EVTM digitized but not on the website, and it does show that a switch had been added by then. And looking at the MPC, the e-brake pedal assembly that is listed is an E4TZ 2780. So it appears that the switch was added in '84. Jim - Not to worry. I didn't know that until not too long ago when David needed a replacement pedal assembly. It is an obscure detail.

A clunk when braking can easily be the radius arm bushing, which is right under the driver or passenger depending on which one. With performance coming and going it does sound like either bad wiring or ECU. Unless the transmission is doing something funky. How badly do you want to maintain the original "system"?

Jim - In '82 I don't think there was a switch on the parking brake pedal. I can look in a bit to confirm it, but I think that switch happened more like in '85. Here's the schematic for the 1981 brake warning light circuit, and the only thing that can bring it on is the "dual brake warning switch", aka proportioning valve.

Cory - That'll be the day! As for procrastination skills, I have to paint BB's front frame, powder coat all of the suspension components, order and install ball joints, tie rods, wheel bearings, and u-joints to get BB back on the ground. And I'm playing webmeister instead. TheScatch - I'll hold the door while you tighten the bolts.

How do you remove the dash pad anyway? I haven't done that yet, but need to... Its pretty simple. 3 screws on dash bezzle, 2 screws on radio bezzle, 4 screws in defrost vent, and 2 or 3 just above the glove box door. Then it slides right out. I think it is two above the glove box. But the question is which two as there are something like six there. I pulled Big Blue's and can figure that out later today. But don't remove all of those six as they are holding other things in. If I haven't reported back just loosen them and wiggle the pad to figure out which two are holding it in. Unfortunately the MPC doesn't have an illustration that I can find which shows the screws. If someone has found one, please let me know.

True, if it is idling fine then is probably isn't a vacuum leak. In that case it is either running out of gas, which is unlikely in neutral as it doesn't take much to spin to 2500, or it is losing ignition. Do you remember a few years ago when Eli/Smokenchoken brought his truck to the GTG and it would die if he connected the vacuum advance. Paul quickly said "It is the wires on the pickup in the dizzy", and sure enough it was. The insulation had fallen off the wires to the pickup and when the vacuum advance moved the wires shorted and the truck died. Pull the cap and check the wires.

You do good work! That's really nice looking. I'm sure she'll appreciate it.

Hamm0ckjames - Many forums don't have the smarts to read the metadata embedded in pictures to rotate them properly, and that includes this one. But if you open the pic in an editing app and save it that usually orients it properly. Not always, but usually. Cory - I don't like the coolant geysers either, so understand your reluctance. But you got it done! Boy, that truck is coming together. Shaun - That's a shame on the illness. But, you expect us to hang around waiting for you to tell us what you bought???? Chris - Yes, you can embed a Youtube on here. Tick the "Message is in HTML Format" box and paste in the embed code. You may want to play with the width and height values to get it bigger as they usually give you really small windows. And, if you are going to tell us anything in writing, remember that in HTML format the carriage returns don't get you a line feed. But click Formatting/Line Feed to paste one in. But it sounds like the AFR is going way, WAY lean. Like you have a large vacuum leak. Maybe a hose off? Or the brake booster failed?

Hahahaha! Dave, you nailed it! I've been driving all weekend...well, that and taking care of a few little tasks here and there. My previous pictures did not show the rear bumper and plate brackets installed:). From the front, but all the same I think... And then one from just a couple hours ago, showing the new F150 emblems installed on the front fenders. I had to grind the little locating nubs off the backs of the new emblems as my aftermarket fenders did not have the holes, and I wasn't drilling them with the new paint on there. Took care of a few other little odds and ends. Fixed the windshield trim on the driver's side (It was loose and not hooked in properly), installed a new FORD coolant temp sender to fix my incorrect gauge, and then took her to the car wash for an engine bay bath. It's starting to come around. Oh...and I picked up a small bottle of touch up paint. I do have some nicks and scratches to clean up and protect. No big deal...this thing IS going to get nicks and scratches. Beautiful! You've really done a good job, Cory!

Got some big/good news! With Chris/ckuske's help I think we've found a way to get our pdf's crawled by Google. This is REALLY a big deal, assuming it works as expected, as people can find the content of the pdf's just via a Google search. Imagine being able to find a TSB or the info on carb or transmission rebuilds! The issue, as Chris pointed out, was that we had the pdf's hosted on another site, like Microsoft's OneDrive or Google Drive. And all that connected our site to the pdf's was a link. But Chris suggested that we host the files on the Weebly server as part of the website. That took some figuring out as I'd not done that before, but I now have three files on there: Documents/Driveline/Transmissions/Automatic Transmissions/C6: The section from the 1985 FSM is shown on the tab entitled Rebuild Procedures. Documentation/Fuel Systems/Carburetors, Chokes, & EFI/Carter YFA 1BBL: The file on the Instructions tab and then the Walker tab is new. Documentation/Interior/Interior Trim: The illustration on the Regular Cab tab is done the new way, and the one on the Bronco tab is done the old way. Which way appears to be more clear to you? I've asked Google to crawl and index all three of those pages, which is the process by which they catalog everything on a page so they can return the results in a search. In a few days we'll see if the contents of any of those pages is now found and, if so, we have a winner! But, the guru at Weebly that helped me figure out their addressing scheme is sure it'll work. If so it is a major step in the direction of helping people find all the info we have available.

Hamm0ckjames - So sorry to see about your injury! Hope you heal up quickly. Back injuries can be a lifetime problem. Jim - Yep. We do need Mr. Fuel System's recommendations.

Bummer! That's a shame. But, it is the journey, not the destination. So take it easy and get well so you can do a good job.