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Gary Lewis

Need Help On 1980 EVTM

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Folks - I need some help on the 1980 EVTM. In order to be sure that no one that is selling EVTM's has a legal issue I'm looking for a way of embedding the file such that it cannot downloaded.

I know you can on the way I've been embedding files, which is via Microsoft's OneDrive, but supposedly I can turn downloading off if I use Google Drive. So I've added a Google Drive version at the top of the page at Documentation/Electrical/EVTM/1980 EVTM and have left the OneDrive version down below.

So please go to that page and see if you can download the Google version. You'd do that by clicking the button circled on the screenshot below on the left. That will bring up a screen like shown on the right, and then you click the download button, that's also circled.

Since the file is mine it lets me. But can you?

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85lebaront2

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Gary, I can't copy either of them. the "copy" is light gray and doesn't do anything.

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Gary Lewis

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Thanks, Bill. But what about downloading?

On the Google one you click the popout and then on the new page click the download icon.

On the OneDrive version you click the icon circled in the lower right and then the Download A Copy option. And what about the Embed Information? If you can get to that you can get to it that way.

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grumpin

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On my iPad I am able to download it, hope I’m saying this right.

But no options to download again, upper or lower screen.

Dane
1986 F250HD SC XLT Lariat 4x4 460 C6-Sold
1992 Bronco XLT 4x4 351W E4OD
1998 GMC Sierra SLE K1500 350 4L60E
Arizona

Gary Lewis

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Dane - You could download it the first time with either Google or OneDrive but not a second time?

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grumpin

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Yes, Google.

Dane
1986 F250HD SC XLT Lariat 4x4 460 C6-Sold
1992 Bronco XLT 4x4 351W E4OD
1998 GMC Sierra SLE K1500 350 4L60E
Arizona

Gary Lewis

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You downloaded it via the Google page once, but couldn't again.

What about the lower one, the Microsoft OneDrive?

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kramttocs

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Using Chrome.

Embed with Google:
Pop-out works.
From there Print icon is greyed out.
Trying to print from the browser shows a blank page.
Add shortcut to my drive is available.
Trying to perform actions on the 'link' that I added a shortcut to in my Drive shows the same inability to print

Embed with Microsoft:
Able to print.
Able to download.

Scott
'Camano' 1986 F250 Supercab XLT Lariat 460/C6
'Chanute' 1980 F350 C&C 400/NP 435 - Gin Pole

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Gary Lewis

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Thanks, Scott. Basically you can't download the file. Right? That's pretty much what I was hoping for.

People can do a screen print, I'd bet, but they can't copy the whole file in one go. The Intellectual Property lawyer I hired said it is ok to let them do things like screen prints, but downloading the whole document might be questionable.

So I'll take the MS OneDrive copy off the page and just use the Google one.

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grumpin

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Gary Lewis wrote

You downloaded it via the Google page once, but couldn't again.

What about the lower one, the Microsoft OneDrive?

I’m not seeing the option for One Drive below.

Dane
1986 F250HD SC XLT Lariat 4x4 460 C6-Sold
1992 Bronco XLT 4x4 351W E4OD
1998 GMC Sierra SLE K1500 350 4L60E
Arizona

kramttocs

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Correct- I can't find a way to download the file using the Google Drive embedded one.

Scott
'Camano' 1986 F250 Supercab XLT Lariat 460/C6
'Chanute' 1980 F350 C&C 400/NP 435 - Gin Pole

But there ain't nothin' wrong with the radio

Gary Lewis

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Dane - I took it out based on the feedback y'all gave me. The Google version works so we don't need the OneDrive version.

I think this new approach is going to work nicely as it gives the ability to search for things, and I've now added all of the links in the Contents section.

So I think I'm done, unless someone has a better idea.

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Gary Lewis

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Thanks, Scott. I think we are good to go, but please look it over and see if you agree. I'll stop changing things now.

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grumpin

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Awesome! Thanks Gary!

Dane
1986 F250HD SC XLT Lariat 4x4 460 C6-Sold
1992 Bronco XLT 4x4 351W E4OD
1998 GMC Sierra SLE K1500 350 4L60E
Arizona

Gary Lewis

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Welcome, Dane.

I've had a pdf copy of the '85 EVTM in my files for quite some time and have found it very useful when needing to find the uses of a given connector or some wire color. But was afraid of placing it on the website for fear of running afoul of someone with the rights from Ford to publish the EVTMs. However, this new approach gives us a way to do that and still not wave a red flag at some publisher.

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grumpin

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I have a copy of all my manuals on Adobe cloud. That way I have it on my iPad or phone when traveling.

Dane
1986 F250HD SC XLT Lariat 4x4 460 C6-Sold
1992 Bronco XLT 4x4 351W E4OD
1998 GMC Sierra SLE K1500 350 4L60E
Arizona

Rembrant

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I can't save it;).

1994 F150 4x2 Flareside. 5.0 w/MAF, 4R70W, stock.
1984 F150 4X2 Flareside. Mild 302 w/ 5spd. Sold.
1980 F150 4X4 Flareside. 300i6 w/ 5spd. Sold in 2021.
1980 F100 4X2 Flareside. 351w/2bbl w/NP435. Sold in 1995

Gary Lewis

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Thanks, Cory. Reassuring to know.

I'm sure there will be those who won't like this approach since they cannot download it. But I think it is better to have the info available and not be able to download it than to make it available and then be sued and have to take and it and everything else down.

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Rembrant

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Gary Lewis wrote

Thanks, Cory. Reassuring to know.

I'm sure there will be those who won't like this approach since they cannot download it.

I was never aware that they could be downloaded before. I have both 1984 and 1985 FSM's in PDF and they are my default go to, so I rarely use the forum EVTM, but I DO use a lot of the other documentation you have on here.

Gary Lewis

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According to the IP lawyer there are few, if any, hard and fasts in intellectual property. Complete documents that someone can download in one go are not a good idea if they are ones that someone may have the rights to reproduce. So we don't put the whole FSM on in one go as people are licensed by Ford to reproduce and sell them and could, rightly, be concerned.

But the lawyer said if the sections of a document are dispersed across the site such that it would take great effort to download them and create the complete document that is probably ok. So we have each engine, transmission, body part, etc section spread across the site. And, we don't have all of any year's FSM on the site.

On the other hand, I have hundreds of other, typically obscure, Ford documents that apparently no one is reproducing, so I put some of them on the site in one document if they are small enough. Or in a few sections if they are larger. For instance, no one seems to be reproducing the dealer fact books, but they are so large that they'd take a long time to load if you just want to look at them, so I break them up.

As for the "old way" of doing EVTMs, they are done via scanned pictures of the pages. And they aren't OCR'd. So if someone wanted to have a whole '85 EVTM he'd have to copy over 150 pages, one page at a time, and the lawyer thought that was ok.

But with the request for the 1980 EVTM I thought I'd try something new, and something that looked like it would take less time to do. As it turned out it may have taken about the same length of time, but a large part of that was a learning experience. So maybe I'll do this approach in future.

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