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Vent window frame question?

FuzzFace2
Project just came to a screeching stop!

After fighting for a long time installing the new rubber and noted the new was not just like the old but moved on any way. Then found I installed it wrong and had to fix that.
Go to install the frame and cant get it to go in?
I even pulled the glass back out and still will not fit so I then try the other side I have not pulled apart yet and it will not fit also WTH?

I should point out that I had to get new frames as mine were rotten.
So I pulled out the old ones to match up and that is when it all turned to
This is what I found.


I could not get them to fit because they were to long maybe 4" (did not measure) and was thinking I can cut off the extra and should fit but ...........
If you look the channel the glass would fit in it also wider.
Think they are from a newer truck? I got them years ago and don't remember from who now.

Now it looks like there is a spacer in there that takes up the extra space but they would then mean the glass is skinner.

So the question(s) is do you think I can use them by cutting the channel shorter to fit in the door?
What do I do about the spacer in the channel? I don't think the new channel seal will sit all the way in to
the bottom?

Anyone have good vent window frames they want to sell for a 81 truck?
Dave ----
Dave G.
81 F100 flare side 300 six / AA OD / NP435 / 2.75 gear
http://cars.grantskingdom1.com/index.php/1980-Ford-F100?page=1
81 F100 style side 300 six/SROD parts truck -RIP
http://cars.grantskingdom1.com/index.php/1981-Ford-F100
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Re: Vent window frame question?

Rembrant
Dave,

Maybe they changed at some point along the way? I went back and looked at my pics, and I think my 1984 window frames would be the long ones?


1994 F150 4x2 Flareside. 5.0 w/MAF, 4R70W, stock.
1984 F150 4X2 Flareside. Mild 302 w/ 5spd. Sold.
1980 F150 4X4 Flareside. 300i6 w/ 5spd. Sold in 2021.
1980 F100 4X2 Flareside. 351w/2bbl w/NP435. Sold in 1995

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FuzzFace2
I think an easy way to tell at least from the 2 I have and not have to pull the frames, I know you are not going to and I don't want you to, is to measure the metal frame.

I will go back out and measure the 2 I have and get back.
Old frame is
1" wide
31" long

New frame is
1.5" wide
36" long

So Cory what do yours measure 1" or 1.5" wide?
Dave ----
Dave G.
81 F100 flare side 300 six / AA OD / NP435 / 2.75 gear
http://cars.grantskingdom1.com/index.php/1980-Ford-F100?page=1
81 F100 style side 300 six/SROD parts truck -RIP
http://cars.grantskingdom1.com/index.php/1981-Ford-F100
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Rembrant
FuzzFace2 wrote
I think an easy way to tell at least from the 2 I have and not have to pull the frames, I know you are not going to and I don't want you to, is to measure the metal frame.

I will go back out and measure the 2 I have and get back.
Old frame is
1" wide
31" long

New frame is
1.5" wide
36" long

So Cory what do yours measure 1" or 1.5" wide?
Dave ----
Dave,

My inner door panels are still not installed so I have access to the window frames. Mine is 1" wide and approx 31" long. 1984 F150.
1994 F150 4x2 Flareside. 5.0 w/MAF, 4R70W, stock.
1984 F150 4X2 Flareside. Mild 302 w/ 5spd. Sold.
1980 F150 4X4 Flareside. 300i6 w/ 5spd. Sold in 2021.
1980 F100 4X2 Flareside. 351w/2bbl w/NP435. Sold in 1995

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ArdWrknTrk
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Bricknose trucks have the wider divider between vent and side Windows.
 Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.
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FuzzFace2
In reply to this post by Rembrant
Rembrant wrote
FuzzFace2 wrote
I think an easy way to tell at least from the 2 I have and not have to pull the frames, I know you are not going to and I don't want you to, is to measure the metal frame.

I will go back out and measure the 2 I have and get back.
Old frame is
1" wide
31" long

New frame is
1.5" wide
36" long

So Cory what do yours measure 1" or 1.5" wide?
Dave ----
Dave,

My inner door panels are still not installed so I have access to the window frames. Mine is 1" wide and approx 31" long. 1984 F150.
Thanks yours are like my old ones.
I don't mind cutting the new ones shorter I just don't know if that 1/2" will cause any issues.
What I may do is pull out the new channel seal and see how it sits in the frame.
Then if it looks like it may work I can cut and install and see if the glass will fit.
I just want a little more information before I go forward.
Dave ----
Dave G.
81 F100 flare side 300 six / AA OD / NP435 / 2.75 gear
http://cars.grantskingdom1.com/index.php/1980-Ford-F100?page=1
81 F100 style side 300 six/SROD parts truck -RIP
http://cars.grantskingdom1.com/index.php/1981-Ford-F100
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Whisler
I have both sides from my 84. Not perfect but not rotted. If you may be interested let me know.
God Bless
Whisler

Frankenstein: 1989 F250 4X4, C-6, Hurst Pro-Matic 2 shifter, carbed '84 351W, Edelbrock manifold, Edlbrock AVS, DS2 ignition, 3G alternator, JBA shorty headers, no cats, dual exhaust with H pipe.
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Whisler
I am not at home to get e-mail so reply on the forum.
God Bless
Whisler

Frankenstein: 1989 F250 4X4, C-6, Hurst Pro-Matic 2 shifter, carbed '84 351W, Edelbrock manifold, Edlbrock AVS, DS2 ignition, 3G alternator, JBA shorty headers, no cats, dual exhaust with H pipe.
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salans7
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ArdWrknTrk wrote
Bricknose trucks have the wider divider between vent and side Windows.
What he said.

In order to use the bricknose vent windows, you need the bricknose door glass as well. It's narrower than the bullnose glass due to the wider vent window.
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FuzzFace2
salans7 wrote
ArdWrknTrk wrote
Bricknose trucks have the wider divider between vent and side Windows.
What he said.

In order to use the bricknose vent windows, you need the bricknose door glass as well. It's narrower than the bullnose glass due to the wider vent window.
Thanks guys for the replies
I thought so on the door glass.
So must be 92 on up as Bill posted 80/91HD trucks.
I have to step back and see how to attack this.
Thanks again
Dave ----
Dave G.
81 F100 flare side 300 six / AA OD / NP435 / 2.75 gear
http://cars.grantskingdom1.com/index.php/1980-Ford-F100?page=1
81 F100 style side 300 six/SROD parts truck -RIP
http://cars.grantskingdom1.com/index.php/1981-Ford-F100
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ArdWrknTrk
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Dave, the windows changed in '87, same as the body style
 Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.
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Steve83
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The vent window frame got wider in '87, so to use it, you MUST also use '87-96/7 weatherbelts (which are shorter to match the wider bar).

At the same time, the glass got narrower F-to-B...



...and that gap was taken up by a plastic spacer inside the vent window frame:



So you CAN use the older (wider) glass with the newer (wider) bar, if you remove that spacer.  But IME, it doesn't work well because there's too much slop, so the glass tilts & binds.
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FuzzFace2
Steve83 wrote
The vent window frame got wider in '87, so to use it, you MUST also use '87-96/7 weatherbelts (which are shorter to match the wider bar).

At the same time, the glass got narrower F-to-B...



...and that gap was taken up by a plastic spacer inside the vent window frame:



So you CAN use the older (wider) glass with the newer (wider) bar, if you remove that spacer.  But IME, it doesn't work well because there's too much slop, so the glass tilts & binds.
I did see that spacer and did think of pulling it so the glass would fit then I was thinking of the fuzzy channel would now sit in too far and may bind on the glass?

I just think there are too many "what if's" and not having all the parts to give it a try.
Dave ----
Dave G.
81 F100 flare side 300 six / AA OD / NP435 / 2.75 gear
http://cars.grantskingdom1.com/index.php/1980-Ford-F100?page=1
81 F100 style side 300 six/SROD parts truck -RIP
http://cars.grantskingdom1.com/index.php/1981-Ford-F100
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FuzzFace2
Some have asked why I need to replace them?
I can tell you it's not because they are dirty and I don't want to clean them
Here are some pictures
Bottom of 1 of the dividers rusted away.

The real issues is the outer frame that is not there any more and the broken bracket to keep the glass from turning to far.


Dave ----
Dave G.
81 F100 flare side 300 six / AA OD / NP435 / 2.75 gear
http://cars.grantskingdom1.com/index.php/1980-Ford-F100?page=1
81 F100 style side 300 six/SROD parts truck -RIP
http://cars.grantskingdom1.com/index.php/1981-Ford-F100
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salans7
I wish you were closer Dave, I have bricknose door glass sitting in my shop wasting away.
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FuzzFace2
salans7 wrote
I wish you were closer Dave, I have bricknose door glass sitting in my shop wasting away.
The thing is I would still need to cut the divider bar shorter just to fit it up into place.
Then I don't know because it was shorten if that will effect how the glass works and if the regulators are different between them.

You cant look up part numbers because the glass & dividers are different so different numbers, don't know of the regulators?
Thanks any way
Dave ----
Dave G.
81 F100 flare side 300 six / AA OD / NP435 / 2.75 gear
http://cars.grantskingdom1.com/index.php/1980-Ford-F100?page=1
81 F100 style side 300 six/SROD parts truck -RIP
http://cars.grantskingdom1.com/index.php/1981-Ford-F100
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FuzzFace2
Just wanted to follow up on this.
The 2nd set of replacements were 1.5" longer than the old ones and they had a bracket that a mirror screw went thru to help support it and keep the door skin from cracking.

Now I first have to say I don't think how long the divider part is will keep them from being installed if you install them the right way! I cut this 1/5" off when I was trying to install them wrong and still could not get them in.
They go in from the top where the door glass would be, in between the door skin brace and the latch end of the door.

You feed it in so the lower bolt bracket fits thru the opening then turn the frame to feed it in to place.
Once someone told me how it goes it kind of falls into place.
Dave ----
Dave G.
81 F100 flare side 300 six / AA OD / NP435 / 2.75 gear
http://cars.grantskingdom1.com/index.php/1980-Ford-F100?page=1
81 F100 style side 300 six/SROD parts truck -RIP
http://cars.grantskingdom1.com/index.php/1981-Ford-F100
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Gary Lewis
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So, you got them in, I assume?  And are the windows now in?
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FuzzFace2
Gary Lewis wrote
So, you got them in, I assume?  And are the windows now in?
I only wished.
I made sure both window frames fit the doors, once I knew that I had to paint them as they had some surface rust so they are drying at this time.

I hope to have the door glass in both doors and the rear glass installed by Saturday evening.
I also need to see if I can kidnap the guy next door to give me a hand with the windshield.
If I get the windshield in (and nut * bolt the whole truck) I can run it down the road about 2 miles for a cruse in and get diner when there.

But that is a lot of work and don't think the windshield will get done.
Dave ----
Dave G.
81 F100 flare side 300 six / AA OD / NP435 / 2.75 gear
http://cars.grantskingdom1.com/index.php/1980-Ford-F100?page=1
81 F100 style side 300 six/SROD parts truck -RIP
http://cars.grantskingdom1.com/index.php/1981-Ford-F100
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ArdWrknTrk
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How did you get the old ones out of the doors?

Or was that so long ago that you forgot?
(Cell phone cameras are an amazing thing!
Polaroid film was so expensive that they would GIVE you the camera, just like Gillette razors)
 Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.
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