Sons truck project.

Figured I’d show y’all the latest on my sons project F250. It certainly has been a learning experience. Thanks to Gary and everyone who have given me advise. Ive gotten this far.

I'm interested to see how it's coming along!  

What kind of headers do you have on there?

Hahaha, i thought i did. I probably screwed up. 🤗 Thats funny  just like me. Any advise would be appreciated.

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> On Feb 13, 2020, at 6:33 PM, ArdWrknTrk [via Bullnose Enthusiasts] <ml+s12971n50808h14@n8.nabble.com> wrote:
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>  I'm interested to see how it's coming along!  
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> Do you need some help posting pictures?
>  Jim,
> Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with an Edelbrock 1826 and Performer intake.
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Theyre L&L headers I got from Gary. They were a bear to get in but we did it. Had to take the transmission off to get them in. They fit nice. Cant wait to hear them.

Your pictures weren't showing up when I first looked at this thread.

So those are BB's headers?
Are you going to run a PMGR starter?
I forget how Gary said they clear the front driveshaft, but I suppose they did with the lift in Big Blue.
Are you going to be running the AIR pumps?

Must feel like quite an accomplishment to have the engine back in!  

Were using the original starter for now but weve removed all the smog equipment. We dont have the driveshafts in yet but it looks like theres plenty of room for everything. Theres not a lot of info out there on these trucks compared to other vehicles, but weve managed. Im not good with computers/smart phones which probably has hindered me a little. Feels great to get this far.

Looking good!

But, you have me worried.  I don't yet have the new/replacement headers but already have the tranny in.  Perhaps I'd better get onto that ASAP.

The drivers side header got wedged between the crossmember and the firewall and the top of the motor was hitting the top of the firewall/trans tunnel. Had to go in at to steep an angle to leave the trans on. Was tight with the trans off too. Its a big motor. Scratched a little paint. 😡 If i was to do it again i would probably lift the cab a few inches first. 

 Looking good!

But, you have me worried.  I don't yet have the new/replacement headers but already have the tranny in.  Perhaps I'd better get onto that ASAP.

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Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker in front & 10.25 Spicer/Trutrac in back, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI

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You might consider a heat shield of sorts for the starter and cable.

A tomato or pineapple juice can, opened up on the side is shiny and very low mass.

Heat reflective loom or sheaths with ceramic weave inside can slip over the cable.

Both are cheap options.
Though a PMGR starter for a manual 460 was under $60 outright from DB last time I checked.

I think you're doing Great!  👍

How would you put the can on?

 You might consider a heat shield of sorts for the starter and cable.

A tomato or pineapple juice can, opened up on the side is shiny and very low mass.

Heat reflective loom or sheaths with ceramic weave inside can slip over the cable.

Both are cheap options.
Though a PMGR starter for a manual 460 was under $60 outright from DB last time I checked.

 Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with an Edelbrock 1826 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.

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I've always used tin snips to make a tab that can be held by the bottom bolt that goes in from the front.

I cut a few more tabs and bend them in towards the starter to keep pressure on and prevent it from rattling.

I'll take lifting the cab into consideration.  It really isn't too difficult, especially with the lift.  I can drop the truck onto the tires, pull the 4 bolts, use the lift to raise the cab a bit, and block it up with 2x4's.  Then pick the truck up again to put the truck back up in the air on the lift.

Gary,
Your engine is already in.

He was putting the engine in with the headers on, if the pictures tell anything.

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Gary,
Your engine is already in.

He was putting the engine in with the headers on, if the pictures tell anything.

Oh, I missed that.  Thanks.

Yeah, we couldnt get the headers on while the motor was in. Maybe theres a trick i dont know about. We had to take the motor out twice before we finally got it done. Wow, putting a trans in from under the truck isnt easy! Let alone the transfer case. 

 Gary,
Your engine is already in.

He was putting the engine in with the headers on, if the pictures tell anything.

 Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with an Edelbrock 1826 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.

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In Gary's case with Big Blue, lifting the cab may still be a good option for installing the headers since he has a lift. Without a lift, then you're left with pulling the engine unless like was said "Maybe there's a trick i don't know about."

My son suggested that if we couldnt get the motor in with both headers on then maybe put it in with the passenger side header on then put the drivers side on after the motor is in. Didnt try it but the logic seemed sound. Plz let me know what you do. I may have to do it again in the future. 

 In Gary's case with Big Blue, lifting the cab may still be a good option for installing the headers since he has a lift. Without a lift, then you're left with pulling the engine unless like was said "Maybe there's a trick i don't know about."

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Ok, I'll let everyone know what I do.  But don't hold your breath as the headers won't be here for a month.  

Don't think this will work for you guys with the motor in place but maybe do as some do on cars with headers.

You lay the headers in place in the engine bay held out of the way with bungees then drop the motor in.
Being held with bungees they can be moved as needed to clear the motor as it is going in.
Once the motor is in place you just undo the bungees and flip up the header to the head.

On my drag car I did it this way when I replaced the motor and worked great. The first time was a bear with no lift from under the car.
They were super comp 1-7/8" big tube not the little 1-3/4" that you can get every where.
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What do yall think about those shorty headers? Are they any good?

 Ok, I'll let everyone know what I do.  But don't hold your breath as the headers won't be here for a month.  

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Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker in front & 10.25 Spicer/Trutrac in back, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI

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