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New Page: Saginaw Conversions

Gary Lewis
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You may recall that Andrew//IDIBronco recently completed a Saginaw conversion on his IDI-equipped Bronco and described his journey in his IDI Saginaw swap. The Saga begins... thread.  But, at the end he summarized it quite well in this well-done post.

It was so well done that I thought it deserved to be included on a web page so it can easily be found with a Google search - and things in the forum aren't easily found.  So I created a new page: Suspension & Steering/Steering/Saginaw Conversions and put his post on the IDI and V-Belt tabs there.

We aren't quite done with it, so it'll be changing a bit as we refine it.  But, we wanted to share that it is there in case you are looking for it.

Also, note that there are places for many other Saginaw conversions, so I welcome your writeups.  In fact, I plan to write up the ones I do for Big Blue and Dad's truck.  But, Andrew has now set the bar so we'll have to work some to match it.  
Gary, AKA "Gary fellow": Profile

Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker & 10.25 Sterling/Trutrac, Blue Top & Borgeson, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI

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85lebaront2
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Gary, Jim did a Saginaw conversion on his truck a number of years ago. Donor vehicle was an older van with the V-belt 460. His hardest part was finding the correct pressure hose. I hooked him up on the pump and brackets from Pete's used parts in Newport News VA.
Bill AKA "LOBO" Profile

"Getting old is inevitable, growing up is optional" Darth Vader 1986 F350 460 converted to MAF/SEFI, E4OD 12X3 1/2 rear brakes, traction loc 3:55 gear, 160 amp 3G alternator Wife's 2011 Flex Limited Daily Driver 2009 Flex Limited with factory tow package Project car 1986 Chrysler LeBaron convertible 2.2L Turbo II, modified A413

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Ford F834
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Did the van pressure hose not work in his case? New ones are readily available... I believe Andrew said he had to message the steel line just a bit.
SHORT BED 4-DOOR DIESEL: 1986 F350 4x4 under construction-- 7.3 IDIT ZF5+GVOD

STRAIGHT SIX 4X4: 1981 F150 2wd to 4x4-- 300 I6 close ratio diesel T19, hydroboost brakes, Saginaw steering

BIG F: 1995 F-Superduty under construction— converting to 6.9L IDI diesel ZF5+DNE2
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Re: New Page: Saginaw Conversions

IDIBronco
The hose was available, not in the local store.  They had it shipped in the next day, so it had to be in the warehouse.

I listed the part number in my post.  If. I had a bigger budget to work with on the project I would have cut the 2 stock hoses (idi c2 and van Saginaw) and made a template hose to take to a place to make a hose that would have been right.  Although, I do think the tweaking bends of the factory van hose works well enough.

 
1985 Bronco
6.9 IDI
C6 T19
hydroboost brakes

8 Lug coil sprung D44ttb
10.25 3:55
warn classic bumper
8274 warn winch
Saginaw Conversion

1986 Ford F350 "Dump Truck"
6.9 IDI
T19
8'x12'x4' hydraulic dump bed
front mounted tow bar

1981 Ford F350 "Welding Truck"
300 I6
T18
Welders bed with hoist
onboard air
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Re: New Page: Saginaw Conversions

Gary Lewis
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Bill - When the time comes, which hopefully won't be too long, I'll be trying to learn from his experience.  But, with all the brackets and pump he sent me from the F450 he parted out it should be easy.  However, there is the hose issue.  He had to cut one and it was probably the wrong one in the first place, so that may take having one made.  We shall see.
Gary, AKA "Gary fellow": Profile

Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker & 10.25 Sterling/Trutrac, Blue Top & Borgeson, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI

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ArdWrknTrk
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The van pressure hose works fine with a little tweaking of the hard line at the steering box.

My problem was that I had read to use the hose from a '78 F-250 4x4 for a Saginaw conversion.
So that is what I purchased initially.
But the fittings we're wrong, so I just bought one for the 1986 E-350 donor.
 Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.
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Ford F834
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Gary, will you be converting to hydroboost at the same time? I think the pressure hose from the Chevy 6.2 diesel 1-ton will work. It crosses over the opposite side of the booster but I believe it will be a direct fit. If you use the F450 hose at the very minimum you will have to change the end like I did on the ‘81.
SHORT BED 4-DOOR DIESEL: 1986 F350 4x4 under construction-- 7.3 IDIT ZF5+GVOD

STRAIGHT SIX 4X4: 1981 F150 2wd to 4x4-- 300 I6 close ratio diesel T19, hydroboost brakes, Saginaw steering

BIG F: 1995 F-Superduty under construction— converting to 6.9L IDI diesel ZF5+DNE2
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Gary Lewis
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Jim - Thanks.

Jonathan - That's a good tip.  I will be doing hydroboost at the same time, so will give that a try.  Thanks.
Gary, AKA "Gary fellow": Profile

Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker & 10.25 Sterling/Trutrac, Blue Top & Borgeson, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI

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Re: New Page: Saginaw Conversions

myrl883
Just curious --- What are the advantages of changing to a Saginaw pump? In all of the Fords that I've owned, I've never had a problem with a Ford C-II pump other than whining. I've always thought of the Saginaw pump as an Econoline part, and everyone knows that Econo's were built out of leftovers...
Ford Parts Monkey since 1985
1981 F100 Flareside - Black, 302-4V Roller/AOD
1986 F150 Flareside - Medium Fire Red 302/AOD
1989 F150 Standard Cab 4x4 - Dk Shadow Blue 302/AOD
1993 F350 4x4 Crew Cab - 7.3 IDI/ZF-5
I think it's a sickness...
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Re: New Page: Saginaw Conversions

Gary Lewis
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No whining, and no puking when you turn the steering wheel with the engine off are the two I'm aware of.  Maybe more pressure?
Gary, AKA "Gary fellow": Profile

Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker & 10.25 Sterling/Trutrac, Blue Top & Borgeson, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI

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85lebaront2
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Remember the information I dug up on the Saginaw pumps and the different flow control valves. Since virtually all US manufacturers used them at some point they can be found for pretty well any application.
Bill AKA "LOBO" Profile

"Getting old is inevitable, growing up is optional" Darth Vader 1986 F350 460 converted to MAF/SEFI, E4OD 12X3 1/2 rear brakes, traction loc 3:55 gear, 160 amp 3G alternator Wife's 2011 Flex Limited Daily Driver 2009 Flex Limited with factory tow package Project car 1986 Chrysler LeBaron convertible 2.2L Turbo II, modified A413

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ArdWrknTrk
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Much more linear it seems to me.
Or just more powerful at low rpms?

I'm SO glad I don't have to listen to my pump anymore.
 Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.
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Angelo Voltura
Am I the only one that actually kinda /likes/ the CII whine? Just kinda of a characteristic I grew up with and associate with these old trucks.

I've been lucky, my beater truck has 400k and it has never made a peep. That pump is original.
1978 F150 351W
1979 F150 "410M"
1979 F100 302
1979 F250 400
1987 F150 300
1990 F150 302
1991 F150 300
1995 F150 (1985 clip swapped) 300
1997 F250 351W
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Gary Lewis
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Angelo Voltura wrote
Am I the only one that actually kinda /likes/ the CII whine? Just kinda of a characteristic I grew up with and associate with these old trucks.

I've been lucky, my beater truck has 400k and it has never made a peep. That pump is original.
Yep.  Janey and I were out one day and I heard that whine pull into wherever we were.  Without looking I said "Old Ford truck" and she said "How'd you know?"  I said "The power steering pump gives it away.  Mine won't sound like that."  
Gary, AKA "Gary fellow": Profile

Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker & 10.25 Sterling/Trutrac, Blue Top & Borgeson, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI

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grumpin
One of the Fords I use to own made that familiar “whine”. My 86 is like yours Angelo, quiet.

 Now I’ve done it!
Dane
1986 F250HD SC XLT Lariat 4x4 460 C6-Sold
1992 Bronco XLT 4x4 351W E4OD
1998 GMC Sierra SLE K1500 350 4L60E
Arizona
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Re: New Page: Saginaw Conversions

Angelo Voltura
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I guess I just got used to it hearing it for 25 years, it's something I don't hear much anymore with modern cars so maybe I'm weird but I almost prefer that it made noise.


The pump dad used to have in his truck was LOUD. Worked fine, and didn't have the growl they get when low on fluid, just was noisy. Sounded like a supercharger at high rev's.
1978 F150 351W
1979 F150 "410M"
1979 F100 302
1979 F250 400
1987 F150 300
1990 F150 302
1991 F150 300
1995 F150 (1985 clip swapped) 300
1997 F250 351W
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grumpin
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Well, after I said that maybe I have a Saginaw in there.
Dane
1986 F250HD SC XLT Lariat 4x4 460 C6-Sold
1992 Bronco XLT 4x4 351W E4OD
1998 GMC Sierra SLE K1500 350 4L60E
Arizona
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salans7
An ex girlfriend of mine once said to me on our very first date "I can tell this is a Ford by the whine from the power steering pump". Turns out she had a Ranger at one point that did the same thing.

And let me tell you that whine is much worse on a manual transmission truck.
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Gary Lewis
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salans7 wrote
And let me tell you that whine is much worse on a manual transmission truck.
What?  Maybe more pronounced because the C6 also whines?
Gary, AKA "Gary fellow": Profile

Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker & 10.25 Sterling/Trutrac, Blue Top & Borgeson, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI

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Re: New Page: Saginaw Conversions

salans7
Gary Lewis wrote
salans7 wrote
And let me tell you that whine is much worse on a manual transmission truck.
What?  Maybe more pronounced because the C6 also whines?
My power steering pump has always whined since I bought my Ranger ten years ago (Even in 2003 they were still running CII style pumps on the smaller engines). For the first four years the truck was an automatic, and it wasn't that noticeable. But once I swapped the truck to a manual, it became much more noticeable (probably due to the revs staying higher, for longer periods). But that's on a truck with computer controls and O/D. I'm sure a C6 is comparable to a manual.
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