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Moog steering damper fitment.

Blacktop
Hi everyone, wondering if you could help with some info.
Does anyone have a Moog steering damper fitted to a 4x4 F150? I have mocked mine up ready to fit but not sure if it looks right!?!
1984 F150 XLT short bed 4x4 351w 4speed manual
1980 F100 long bed 2wd 300-6 3speed manual project truck
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Blacktop
Or perhaps this:


1984 F150 XLT short bed 4x4 351w 4speed manual
1980 F100 long bed 2wd 300-6 3speed manual project truck
🇬🇧UK based truck enthusiast🇬🇧
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Blacktop
Steering was on full right lock in the previous pics. This one shows it wheels straight ahead:
1984 F150 XLT short bed 4x4 351w 4speed manual
1980 F100 long bed 2wd 300-6 3speed manual project truck
🇬🇧UK based truck enthusiast🇬🇧
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Gary Lewis
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I think I like the second one best.  But, two questions.  First, why the steering damper?  The guys here tell me they aren't needed if your steering linkage is tight and if you aren't traversing obstacles 1/4 the size of your tires.

Second, how does the angle change as you steer through the full range?  Does that second bracket seem to be at the right spot?
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Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker & 10.25 Sterling/Trutrac, Blue Top & Borgeson, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI

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Blacktop
Hi Gary,
Just an experiment really to see if ride and bump steer improve with a damper fitted.
The angle appears to stay pretty constant from lock to lock. I have it as it appears in the final photo and it does seem to handle a bit smoother over bumps. With the 33" tires it does tend to bounce even with new shocks aswell.
1984 F150 XLT short bed 4x4 351w 4speed manual
1980 F100 long bed 2wd 300-6 3speed manual project truck
🇬🇧UK based truck enthusiast🇬🇧
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Gary Lewis
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If it is better then it looks like you have a winner.  
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Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker & 10.25 Sterling/Trutrac, Blue Top & Borgeson, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI

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Dyn Blin
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I'm interested to hear how the final installation affects your steering quality- subscribed!
Sonoma County,CA
1982 F150 Flareside XLS
NP435 4x4
351W Motorcraft 2150

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Steve83
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Blacktop wrote
...if ride and bump steer improve with a damper fitted.
Ride is distinct from handling, which is the system the steering damper belongs to.  Ride only refers to suspension, including tires, springs, struts (suspension links), frame harmonics, body mounts...  Bump steer is a specific effect of a Panhard (track) bar NOT being parallel to the drag link at any point in the suspension travel.



That term does not apply to the TTB suspension at all, and a steering damper would have no effect on bump steer anyway.  If anything, it would make bump steer MORE-apparent.

The only purpose of a steering damper is to reduce feedback from the tires to the steering wheel.

This shows the factory steering damper installation:



Although the diagram is from the '92-96 Ford service manual, it's essentially the same as what my '83 Bronco originally had.

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Re: Moog steering damper fitment.

Blacktop
Thanks for the replies👍
I'm going to leave it on for a while and see if it makes any improvement. As I said, its only an experiment to see if it makes a difference. As my truck doesnt have either a front or rear sway bar, anything is worth a try.

Alan
1984 F150 XLT short bed 4x4 351w 4speed manual
1980 F100 long bed 2wd 300-6 3speed manual project truck
🇬🇧UK based truck enthusiast🇬🇧
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Ray Cecil
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Blacktop wrote
Does anyone have a Moog steering damper fitted to a 4x4 F150? I have mocked mine up ready to fit but not sure if it looks right!?!
Mine isn't moog, but its the factory damper....I think. I will see if I can dig up a photo for you.
1988 F250 Supercab Longbed 7.3 IDI, C6, 1356, GEARVENDORS, 4.10 Sterling with autolocker

1986 F150 302, C6, 9" 2.75, Wood Flatbed


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Blacktop
That would be great, thanks Ray👍😁

Alan
1984 F150 XLT short bed 4x4 351w 4speed manual
1980 F100 long bed 2wd 300-6 3speed manual project truck
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Ray Cecil
Didn't get to take a pic last night. I spent 2 hours in traffic for a 25 minute commute. By the time I got home and did my chores, I was beat and forgot all about it. I will tonight.

I can tell you, mine is not connected to the frame at all. One end is connect to the drag link, and the other is connected to a bracket on the differential. You can sort of see it in this picture, but I will get a clear pic tonight for you.

1988 F250 Supercab Longbed 7.3 IDI, C6, 1356, GEARVENDORS, 4.10 Sterling with autolocker

1986 F150 302, C6, 9" 2.75, Wood Flatbed


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Ray Cecil
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I misspoke earlier, its connected to the cross member near the differential, and the drag link. Sorry for delay. Its been a long day.

1988 F250 Supercab Longbed 7.3 IDI, C6, 1356, GEARVENDORS, 4.10 Sterling with autolocker

1986 F150 302, C6, 9" 2.75, Wood Flatbed


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Blacktop
Thanks for the pic Ray👍
Thats another way of mounting the damper I wasnt aware of.
1984 F150 XLT short bed 4x4 351w 4speed manual
1980 F100 long bed 2wd 300-6 3speed manual project truck
🇬🇧UK based truck enthusiast🇬🇧
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Ray Cecil
No problem. I will take a look at the bronco in a bit, I think the damper is missing, but there may be brackets still there.
1988 F250 Supercab Longbed 7.3 IDI, C6, 1356, GEARVENDORS, 4.10 Sterling with autolocker

1986 F150 302, C6, 9" 2.75, Wood Flatbed


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Re: Moog steering damper fitment.

grumpin
IIRC that’s how mine was mounted when I took it off.
Dane
1986 F250HD SC XLT Lariat 4x4 460 C6-Sold
1992 Bronco XLT 4x4 351W E4OD
1998 GMC Sierra SLE K1500 350 4L60E
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Gary Lewis
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I was looking at the catalog this morning and at first blush it looked like the only Bullnose trucks that got a steering damper from the factory were F350’s. But it came time to head out for a family reunion and I didn’t get to the bottom of that.

Maybe I can when I get home tonight, and will post what I find as well as create a new page, or tab in an existing page, to document it.
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Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker & 10.25 Sterling/Trutrac, Blue Top & Borgeson, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI

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Ray Cecil
Gary, mine may be aftermarket or factory. I really do not know.
1988 F250 Supercab Longbed 7.3 IDI, C6, 1356, GEARVENDORS, 4.10 Sterling with autolocker

1986 F150 302, C6, 9" 2.75, Wood Flatbed


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Gary Lewis
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Ok, here's what I find in the catalog.  But, I'm not ready to create a page for this info as I don't fully understand it.  So, perhaps y'all can help me?

First, here's the only illustration in the whole catalog that includes the numbers 3E651, which is the steering damper, and 3E652, which is the bracket.  That would seem to suggest that only the 1988 and later stripped chassis trucks got the damper.




However, here are the entries in the catalog's text section for those two numbers.  Note that the kit first appeared in 1987, and only F350's and Super Duties got them.

But wait!  There's more!  The 3E562 listing suggests that there was a steering shock absorber on the 1980 and later F350 4WD trucks that didn't require a bracket.  However, there is no other mention of a shock absorber or damper for steering in the whole catalog.

I'm confused.    But at the least I think it is safe to say that nothing shy of an F350 had a factory-supplied steering damper.

Gary, AKA "Gary fellow": Profile

Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker & 10.25 Sterling/Trutrac, Blue Top & Borgeson, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI

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Ray Cecil
Gary, the 87 bronco has a steering damper, and dual front shocks. I dont know. But just because the catalogue doesnt have it, doesnt mean it couldnt be ordered. I guess, I dunno.

1988 F250 Supercab Longbed 7.3 IDI, C6, 1356, GEARVENDORS, 4.10 Sterling with autolocker

1986 F150 302, C6, 9" 2.75, Wood Flatbed


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