Fuel filler question for the Flareside guys (And maybe Styleside too)

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Fuel filler question for the Flareside guys (And maybe Styleside too)

Rembrant
Guys,

I'm back to working on this fuel filler box. I have two of them, and the metal parts that were attached to both of them are long gone.



There was a metal ring bonded to the back of the box where the filler neck flange connected. I have that part rectified already.

What I'm curious about is the stamped metal piece that used to be on the "front" of the box. It was inside the box, correct? Was there anything on the outside of the box? And by outside, what I mean is on the front where it attaches to the inside of the fiberglass fender? I can't remember from when I took it apart, and what was left of the metal was crumbling away as I took it all apart.

Would any of you happen to have any pictures of this stuff?...Either one of these boxes, or a view inside the fuel filler area with the door open?
1984 F150 4X2 Flareside. Mild 302 w/GT40 heads, BBK headers, Holley 4bbl, Comp Cam, M5R2 5spd swap, Magnaflow full duals. Fresh Medium Blue Metallic in August 2019.
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reamer
Hmmm, I have an extra from a Flareside, Ill look.
1986 F-150 Flareside 4x4, 351, 4-v, ZF5 speed. AC, Cruise, Tilt, Slider, Digital clock, Radio, Lariat seat, Pwr doors/locks
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kramttocs
Here is one from a styleside (looks like they are different in the mold at least)
The metal ring is on the inside held on by two rivets (and then the bolts holding the door).


Scott
Daily driver: 'Camano' 1986 F250 Supercab XLT Lariat 460/C6
Work truck: 'Chanute' 1980 F350 C&C 400/T18 - Gin Pole
Various parts trucks
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Rembrant
OK, that helps, a lot. Thank you Kram!

I don't suppose there's any way to tell how thick that little tin piece is inside the box is there? I'm I'm understanding it correctly, the thickness of that piece will affect where the filler door sits in relation to the fender...

1984 F150 4X2 Flareside. Mild 302 w/GT40 heads, BBK headers, Holley 4bbl, Comp Cam, M5R2 5spd swap, Magnaflow full duals. Fresh Medium Blue Metallic in August 2019.
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kramttocs
Yeah, without the metal ring it would sit a little too proud of the fender. Fender flex would be another concern.

Looks like the flat where the hinge would bolt is 0.03in. As hopefully the picture shows clear enough, there are some reinforcement edge bends in some places.

Scott
Daily driver: 'Camano' 1986 F250 Supercab XLT Lariat 460/C6
Work truck: 'Chanute' 1980 F350 C&C 400/T18 - Gin Pole
Various parts trucks
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Rembrant
kramttocs wrote
Yeah, without the metal ring it would sit a little too proud of the fender. Fender flex would be another concern.

Looks like the flat where the hinge would bolt is 0.03in. As hopefully the picture shows clear enough, there are some reinforcement edge bends in some places.
Oh that's awesome, thanks! So...30 thou would be 22ga sheet metal. That makes sense...I knew it was pretty thin stuff. I'm going to get some stainless and make a new piece. Thanks again, it is appreciated.
1984 F150 4X2 Flareside. Mild 302 w/GT40 heads, BBK headers, Holley 4bbl, Comp Cam, M5R2 5spd swap, Magnaflow full duals. Fresh Medium Blue Metallic in August 2019.
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reamer
Don't believe there was any metal on the "outside"
That would gouge the fiberglass on a Flareside or corroder the fender wall on a styleside.
The extra Flareside filler I have does not have any steel on the outside...
1986 F-150 Flareside 4x4, 351, 4-v, ZF5 speed. AC, Cruise, Tilt, Slider, Digital clock, Radio, Lariat seat, Pwr doors/locks
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FuzzFace2
Cory, if you need other pictures let me know as I have the bed off and the fuel doors waiting for paint so think I can get some good pictures.
Dave ----
81 F100 flare side 300 six/T18 project
http://cars.grantskingdom1.com/index.php/1980-Ford-F100?page=1
81 F100 style side 300 six/SROD parts truck
http://cars.grantskingdom1.com/index.php/1981-Ford-F100
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kramttocs
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You're right. I just pulled a couple units from some styleside trucks at the jy today to replace my cracked one. Nothing between the bed sheet metal and the plastic housing.


In addition to the shape of the opening being different between flareside and styleside, it looks like the stylesides have an extra hole to the left of the opening. One unit I pulled was an E3 and the other an E4 and the only difference I can see is the size of that hole (E4 is larger).

Scott
Daily driver: 'Camano' 1986 F250 Supercab XLT Lariat 460/C6
Work truck: 'Chanute' 1980 F350 C&C 400/T18 - Gin Pole
Various parts trucks
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FuzzFace2
kramttocs wrote
You're right. I just pulled a couple units from some styleside trucks at the jy today to replace my cracked one. Nothing between the bed sheet metal and the plastic housing.


In addition to the shape of the opening being different between flareside and styleside, it looks like the stylesides have an extra hole to the left of the opening. One unit I pulled was an E3 and the other an E4 and the only difference I can see is the size of that hole (E4 is larger).
Besides the doors being different I believe (don't remember now) the plastic "box" and metal filler necks are a little different in think how long they are and how they are clocked in the box.

Part of my issue was the factory flare side setup my truck came with was modified by a PO and did not know what was stock or not?
Then I had the front & rear tank set ups from the style side parts truck I could use. Was going to use the rear full setup for a rear tank setup for my flare side.
Then my bother sent me part of a flare side fender with door, box and metal neck and part of the rubber hose.

This is when I found the doors were different between the 2 models.
The spacing of the screws for the doors & box are different between the 2, style side is wider.
The style side door is also a little smaller and is curved when looking at it from the end.
I have pictures I can post if wanted of them.

I think I used the box & neck my brother sent to get the front tank filler back to factory setup as ti would all bolt in place.

For the rear tank I used part of the flare side fender & door me brother sent and glassed it to the rear of my fender.
With tank in place and the door on the fender I took the rest of the parts I had to make the rear tank filler work. I may have used the left over flare side front box as the door screw spacing would match the fender then used 1 of the style side metal necks and rubber hoses to get it to be 1 part.

It has been a bit since I did this but I think that is how I did it and I do have pictures.
Dave ----
81 F100 flare side 300 six/T18 project
http://cars.grantskingdom1.com/index.php/1980-Ford-F100?page=1
81 F100 style side 300 six/SROD parts truck
http://cars.grantskingdom1.com/index.php/1981-Ford-F100
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FuzzFace2
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Rembrant wrote
Guys,

I'm back to working on this fuel filler box. I have two of them, and the metal parts that were attached to both of them are long gone.



There was a metal ring bonded to the back of the box where the filler neck flange connected. I have that part rectified already.

What I'm curious about is the stamped metal piece that used to be on the "front" of the box. It was inside the box, correct? Was there anything on the outside of the box? And by outside, what I mean is on the front where it attaches to the inside of the fiberglass fender? I can't remember from when I took it apart, and what was left of the metal was crumbling away as I took it all apart.

Would any of you happen to have any pictures of this stuff?...Either one of these boxes, or a view inside the fuel filler area with the door open?
If you are talking of the part on the other side from the door hinge it is a half moon thing that would support that side of the box when bolted to the fender or bed side.
With out it and only used say small washers  they could pull thru the plastic box and it would flop around.
You could use flat stock with holes drilled thru it and use small nuts & bolts to hold it up to the fender or bed side.
It's not really seen with the door open so anything you can use to spread the support out on that side will work.

As I posted in my post above I don't think you can use a style side one as the bolt hole spacing is different between flare side & style side setups
Dave ----
81 F100 flare side 300 six/T18 project
http://cars.grantskingdom1.com/index.php/1980-Ford-F100?page=1
81 F100 style side 300 six/SROD parts truck
http://cars.grantskingdom1.com/index.php/1981-Ford-F100
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Rembrant
Ok, so here's what I did today...

I cut two new pieces of sheet metal to replace the old horseshoe shaped factory piece that was originally riveted to the inside of the box. The one on the right is 18ga stainless that I had on hand, and on the left is 22ga steel that I picked up this morning (It is cut to fit the hinge plate on the door.)



Below shows how it will sit, but inside the box...and the piece is actually upside down in the picture...lol. Duh.



I have since riveted the stainless piece in place and stuck new rubber bumpers in there. I bought new 4mm bolts and fender washers which I then painted blue;). I'll try it in the fender tomorrow and see how it all fits up.
1984 F150 4X2 Flareside. Mild 302 w/GT40 heads, BBK headers, Holley 4bbl, Comp Cam, M5R2 5spd swap, Magnaflow full duals. Fresh Medium Blue Metallic in August 2019.
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Gary Lewis
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Well done, Cory.  Those look good.  

I'm anxious to see how things fit.
Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
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FuzzFace2
Gary Lewis wrote
Well done, Cory.  Those look good.  

I'm anxious to see how things fit.
X2
I was lucky mine were in good shape.
Dave ----
81 F100 flare side 300 six/T18 project
http://cars.grantskingdom1.com/index.php/1980-Ford-F100?page=1
81 F100 style side 300 six/SROD parts truck
http://cars.grantskingdom1.com/index.php/1981-Ford-F100