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Charging problem

jarek_rugby
I have problem with charging my acu. In electro mechanical workshop we checked alternator and it works good (charging 14,5 ) . After instaling it in my ford nothing . On acu is 11,5 V.
Any ideas where should i look ? fuses are ok. everything in car is working (all lights, radio, all indicators, choke, etc.) Engine starts on first kick.  
regards
Jarek
Chicks dig us 'cause we play RUGBY
F 150 1986 302 ci EFI
Pontiac Firebird 400 ci 1973
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Re: Charging problem

Gary Lewis
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Your truck should have the 2G alternator, which was new to the Bullnose trucks in '86.  If so you won't have a regulator, which is a square box, on the fender behind the starter relay.  And it will be wired as shown below, but which comes from here: Electrical/EVTM/1986 EVTM/Charge & Power Distribution - Gasoline Engines.

So, if you've tested the alternator off the truck and proven it is good, then the problem has to be one of two things.  First, check that with the key in Run that you have battery voltage on the light green/red wire.  That provides the initial excitation to the alternator, and w/o it the alternator won't charge.

Second, ensure that all of the connections are good, including that the alternator is grounded.


Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/soon-to-be ZF5/3.55's & EEC-V MAF/SEFI
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Re: Charging problem

jarek_rugby
Hi,
We are fighting with alternator.
I do not know what is wrong but alternator is charging and when we checked from which wires power is goin "out" we noticed:
there is "+" is on "I " not on "S" as it should (regulator).
the conector has A S I - and wires are only on A and S.
So, if we conect "I" on regulator with green wire on conector( which is now conected with S), alternator should cherge acu.
Are there any dangers when we do this way?
Inducing power on alternator is 4 A and after start goes to almost 0.
 
Chicks dig us 'cause we play RUGBY
F 150 1986 302 ci EFI
Pontiac Firebird 400 ci 1973
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Gary Lewis
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Jarek - Please don't take this the wrong way as your English is FAR better than my Polish.  But, I'm not sure I understand what you said and/or are asking.

Let me try this:

I: This is the excitation to the alternator.  There has to be some voltage on it in order for the alternator to function.  And the diagram shows that the wire on it (light green/red) should have battery voltage when the ignition switch is in the Run position.

S: This is the stator output of the alternator, and is only used for the choke's heater and to tell the computer that the engine is running - on the 4.9L engine, only.

So the light green/red wire really needs to go to I.

Does that help?
Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/soon-to-be ZF5/3.55's & EEC-V MAF/SEFI
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Re: Charging problem

jarek_rugby
Gary,
There are 2 conectors going to alternator.
one is with 3 wires - this is OK.
second one is with 2 wires, as on picture:

And on S there is no "power". It is on I.
So we have to take off wire from S and put it in I .
I do not know how it works earlier? because i bought car as it was.
Chicks dig us 'cause we play RUGBY
F 150 1986 302 ci EFI
Pontiac Firebird 400 ci 1973
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Re: Charging problem

Steve83
No, S goes to S; I goes to the ignition switch via the dash indicator light.  Both connectors have 3 wires: the big connector that goes through the Aluminum casting has 2 Bk/Or wires (Battery +) and a Wh/Bk (Stator); the smaller connector on the external voltage regulator has the other end of the Wh/Bk "S" wire, and the LG/R "I" (Indicator) wire, and a Yellow "A" wire that splices into the Bk/Or wires near the starter relay.

Read these captions:





Do not connect S to I.
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Re: Charging problem

jarek_rugby
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Hi Steve
So, what we should do ?
I do not have dash indicator light.
On this small conector i have only 2 wires:
Green/R - middle "hole" conected to S
Yellow - conected to A
There is no white - conector has "dead end" on this place.
What i want to do is take LG/R wire and conect it to "I" terminal on smaller conector.


Chicks dig us 'cause we play RUGBY
F 150 1986 302 ci EFI
Pontiac Firebird 400 ci 1973
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Re: Charging problem

Gary Lewis
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I'm not Steve, but the answer is the same:

Light green/red to I

Yellow connected to A
Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/soon-to-be ZF5/3.55's & EEC-V MAF/SEFI
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Re: Charging problem

jarek_rugby
Works :)
Chicks dig us 'cause we play RUGBY
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Re: Charging problem

Gary Lewis
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Yippee!  
Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/soon-to-be ZF5/3.55's & EEC-V MAF/SEFI
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Re: Charging problem

Steve83
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jarek_rugby wrote
So, what we should do ?
I'd get either a replacement terminal for the middle of the small connector, or another small connector with all 3 wires, and connect S to S.  But the best solution is to toss that 2G alternator & its harness, and install a 130-Amp 3G with its harness.





Gary has an article here that explains how in more detail.
Walk softly and carry a BIG SIX!!!
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