Anyone Have An NP205 For Sale?

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Anyone Have An NP205 For Sale?

Gary Lewis
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My friend, Ben the fabricator, asked me the other day if I know where an NP205 is for his Jeep.  He's found a right-drop Chevy unit, but needs a left-drop married Ford unit.  So, if you know of one please let me know.

And, by the way, his name is Ben Compton and I think he'll be joining.  He has a '78 F150 and wants some help on it.

Speaking of which, his and my friend Scott Ringler, the welder man, also has a '78 F150 and has joined.  So look for a thread from him in the near future.
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Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker & 10.25 Sterling/Trutrac, Blue Top & Borgeson, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI

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Ford F834
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Gary, I will keep my eye out. I have been casually shopping for one myself because of the possibility of running a divorced unit behind the DNE2. Which leads me to ask if he is looking for a married or divorced case? From what I am seeing, all 205’s are fetching a pretty hefty price and they are a bit scarce. Most seem to be back east.
SHORT BED 4-DOOR DIESEL: 1986 F350 4x4 under construction-- 7.3 IDIT ZF5+GVOD

STRAIGHT SIX 4X4: 1981 F150 2wd to 4x4-- 300 I6 close ratio diesel T19, hydroboost brakes, Saginaw steering

BIG F: 1995 F-Superduty under construction— converting to 6.9L IDI diesel ZF5+DNE2
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Gary Lewis
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He's looking for a married one, I think.  But I'll ask to make sure.  

Both he and Scott have them in their 78's, but they aren't about to give them up.  I tried.  But, in reality I like the 2.74 low gear of the BW1345 that I have in Big Blue as opposed to the 1.96 of the NP205.  The difference is that at 2000 RPM in 1st on a wide-ratio ZF5 I'll be doing 3 MPH where an NP205 would have me going 5 MPH.  And, I found that easily using the new calculator.    (Really helpful to have your own info loaded in.  )
Gary, AKA "Gary fellow": Profile

Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker & 10.25 Sterling/Trutrac, Blue Top & Borgeson, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI

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Ford F834
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I will keep my eye out... sometimes they turn up on the Facebook groups. They are easy to find on eBay if you want to pay $600-$1,000 plus freight! 😬 And that is typically without the fairly unique cross member, shift linkages or lever.... ouch.

The Lo ratio isn’t as low as the chain cases, but aftermarket gear reducers are available. Again, not cheaply. If you have a manual transmission with a granny 1st gear, there might not be much need for it. I would (by far) prefer a direct gear-drive design and eliminate the chain and oil pump anchor issue... but it is all too easy to keep throwing money at the truck to the tune of thousand dollar fist-fulls 😈

SHORT BED 4-DOOR DIESEL: 1986 F350 4x4 under construction-- 7.3 IDIT ZF5+GVOD

STRAIGHT SIX 4X4: 1981 F150 2wd to 4x4-- 300 I6 close ratio diesel T19, hydroboost brakes, Saginaw steering

BIG F: 1995 F-Superduty under construction— converting to 6.9L IDI diesel ZF5+DNE2
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Gary Lewis
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Yes, please keep your eye out for one.

As for gear vs chain, I'd probably install a 205 if I had it available.  But I don't so I'll claim the reason I'm not worried about it is the lower ratio on what I have.  
Gary, AKA "Gary fellow": Profile

Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker & 10.25 Sterling/Trutrac, Blue Top & Borgeson, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI

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Ford F834
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Justin Anderson has competed in sled pulls with his built IDI and runs the stock 1356 for his bricknose. I’d say they are robust enough... but I do think the oil pump anchor mod is a good idea. I plan to do at least that to both of mine once I get my welder up and running.  
SHORT BED 4-DOOR DIESEL: 1986 F350 4x4 under construction-- 7.3 IDIT ZF5+GVOD

STRAIGHT SIX 4X4: 1981 F150 2wd to 4x4-- 300 I6 close ratio diesel T19, hydroboost brakes, Saginaw steering

BIG F: 1995 F-Superduty under construction— converting to 6.9L IDI diesel ZF5+DNE2
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Gary Lewis
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Dad's 1356 has had that added.  But Big Blue is running a 1345.  Hmmm, I wonder ......  
Gary, AKA "Gary fellow": Profile

Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker & 10.25 Sterling/Trutrac, Blue Top & Borgeson, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI

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Ford F834
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1345 has exactly the same issue... needs a piece of rod welded to the pump anchor to keep it from chewing through the case. For those who may not be aware, this is the problem:

The triangle shape piece is the pump anchor, and it has worn through the notch in the case that holds it still. If wears all the way through and spins free it’s pretty much game over for that transfer case.


And this is one way you can prevent it... by welding a piece of round stock to the tip to distribute the force.
SHORT BED 4-DOOR DIESEL: 1986 F350 4x4 under construction-- 7.3 IDIT ZF5+GVOD

STRAIGHT SIX 4X4: 1981 F150 2wd to 4x4-- 300 I6 close ratio diesel T19, hydroboost brakes, Saginaw steering

BIG F: 1995 F-Superduty under construction— converting to 6.9L IDI diesel ZF5+DNE2
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Gary Lewis
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So, what I could do is to put the 1356 in BB and have the 1345 rebuilt and that mod done for Dad's truck.  Or, and probably better since I want to put Dad's engine/tranny/t-case together before I start on BB, just have BB's 1345 rebuilt while he's down getting the engine EFI'd, etc.
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Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker & 10.25 Sterling/Trutrac, Blue Top & Borgeson, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI

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Ford F834
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Gary Lewis wrote
So, what I could do is to put the 1356 in BB and have the 1345 rebuilt and that mod done for Dad's truck.  Or, and probably better since I want to put Dad's engine/tranny/t-case together before I start on BB, just have BB's 1345 rebuilt while he's down getting the engine EFI'd, etc.
Does it matter to you which one gets the fixed rear yoke? I have heard it claimed that the 1356 is slightly smoother at shifting on the fly. What shape is your 1345 speedometer drive gear in? 
SHORT BED 4-DOOR DIESEL: 1986 F350 4x4 under construction-- 7.3 IDIT ZF5+GVOD

STRAIGHT SIX 4X4: 1981 F150 2wd to 4x4-- 300 I6 close ratio diesel T19, hydroboost brakes, Saginaw steering

BIG F: 1995 F-Superduty under construction— converting to 6.9L IDI diesel ZF5+DNE2
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Gary Lewis
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I don't know if it does matter which one gets the fixed rear yoke, but I will check that out - although not today as it is raining steadily.  However, now that you mention it, I went to great lengths to get the right front output yoke on the 1356 as it came from whatever 90's F350 the ZF came from and had the yoke for the double-cardan shaft.

So, I need to scope out the outputs for both t-cases to see if swapping is even possible.

The 1356 shifts smoother on the fly?  I seriously doubt Dad's truck will ever be in 4wd, so....

As for the drive gear on the 1345 on BB, I dunno.  It works, but I've never looked.  Why?  What do you have in mind?  
Gary, AKA "Gary fellow": Profile

Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker & 10.25 Sterling/Trutrac, Blue Top & Borgeson, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI

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Ford F834
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Gary, I just didn’t want you to end up “stuck” like me with a bad drive gear and no replacements available anywhere. If it’s working, then you are probably fine, but it’s something to check...   as much as I prefer the fixed rear yoke of the 1345, I will probably end up putting my 1356 into the ‘81.
SHORT BED 4-DOOR DIESEL: 1986 F350 4x4 under construction-- 7.3 IDIT ZF5+GVOD

STRAIGHT SIX 4X4: 1981 F150 2wd to 4x4-- 300 I6 close ratio diesel T19, hydroboost brakes, Saginaw steering

BIG F: 1995 F-Superduty under construction— converting to 6.9L IDI diesel ZF5+DNE2
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Gary Lewis
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Does the 1345 really have a fixed yoke?  From what I found when looking at this when trying to find parts for the 1356, there were all kinds of combinations on them.  Not so the 1345?

As for the drive gear, I'll check it out.  Thanks.
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Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker & 10.25 Sterling/Trutrac, Blue Top & Borgeson, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI

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Ford F834
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I believe all 1345 are fixed yoke. At least I’ve never seen or heard of one having a slip yoke. Some 1356’s were fixed also, but they are exceedingly rare. You can buy a SYE (slip yoke eliminator) for the 1356 but they are not cheap.
SHORT BED 4-DOOR DIESEL: 1986 F350 4x4 under construction-- 7.3 IDIT ZF5+GVOD

STRAIGHT SIX 4X4: 1981 F150 2wd to 4x4-- 300 I6 close ratio diesel T19, hydroboost brakes, Saginaw steering

BIG F: 1995 F-Superduty under construction— converting to 6.9L IDI diesel ZF5+DNE2
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Gary Lewis
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Big Blue's 1345 is fixed-yoke front and rear, as is the 1356 I had built for Dad's truck.  So, I could slip the 1356 in Big Blue when the ZF5 goes in, and send the 1345 out to be rebuilt - along with the mod to the pump's arm.  That way I'd know that we are set for the long haul.  
Gary, AKA "Gary fellow": Profile

Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker & 10.25 Sterling/Trutrac, Blue Top & Borgeson, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI

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Whisler
There is an NP205 with NP 435 trans (married) for sale on Craigslist in Cincinnati. $400 for combo. May be too far away.
God Bless
Whisler

Frankenstein: 1989 F250 4X4, C-6, Hurst Pro-Matic 2 shifter, carbed '84 351W, Edelbrock manifold, Edlbrock AVS, DS2 ignition, 3G alternator, JBA shorty headers, no cats, dual exhaust with H pipe.
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Gary Lewis
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Thanks!  I'll tell him tomorrow.
Gary, AKA "Gary fellow": Profile

Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker & 10.25 Sterling/Trutrac, Blue Top & Borgeson, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI